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Advice on '15 Leaf S - Phoenix AZ

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 1:01 pm
by Flynnstone
I've been looking into purchasing my first Leaf to be used strictly as a daily commuter. My roundtrip commute is 40 miles, and consists of all highway driving. I found a '15 Leaf S for $10K locally, and have been considering moving forward with it. Before purchasing, I had planned on purchasing the OBD Wifi connector and LeafSpy to check out the battery health. Based on the research i've done, the '15 Leaf's have the lizard battery, which should help with the Phoenix summers.

Since the lizard battery's have been in use now for 2-3 years, i'm curious how they've been holding up in desert climates? I haven't been able to find many recent reports with peoples experiences to date, and want to make sure i'm not making a mistake buying a leaf for use in Phoenix.

Re: Advice on '15 Leaf S - Phoenix AZ

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 1:48 pm
by LeftieBiker
What is being found is that in extreme heat, the "Lizard" pack doesn't do much if any better than the 2013-2014 pack, which was improved over the 2011-2012 in April of 2013, in the longer term. I'll find the topic for you.

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=20706

Re: Advice on '15 Leaf S - Phoenix AZ

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:07 pm
by Flynnstone
Thank you. Seems that I should probably go for a Tesla, or an EV with a water cooled pack for AZ driving.

Re: Advice on '15 Leaf S - Phoenix AZ

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:10 pm
by LeftieBiker
Some kind of active cooling is needed, yes.

Re: Advice on '15 Leaf S - Phoenix AZ

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:02 pm
by GerryAZ
I disagree--my 2015 is doing much better than either the original or replacement battery in my 2011. Today marks 27 months, 39,578 miles, with 11 capacity bars remaining right now and with Leaf Spy numbers:
AHr=51.55
SOH=83%
Hx=70.91%
QC=54
L1/L2=647
"Gids" at full charge this morning=243

I was at 8 capacity bars and patiently waiting for a new battery from Nissan at 27 months and about 30,000 miles on the 2011. The replacement battery was only 15 months old with about 20,000 miles on it at the time of the crash and had been at 11 capacity bars for a while.

I have no desire for the complexity and power consumption of TMS.

Re: Advice on '15 Leaf S - Phoenix AZ

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:43 pm
by LeftieBiker
A 17% capacity loss in less than three years isn't my idea of good. I'm sure it's better than the original chemistry, but that isn't good enough.

Re: Advice on '15 Leaf S - Phoenix AZ

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 12:50 pm
by tk1971
LeftieBiker wrote:A 17% capacity loss in less than three years isn't my idea of good. I'm sure it's better than the original chemistry, but that isn't good enough.
I don't think my iPhone can beat that.

For a short commute there's no better used EV deal than a Leaf (IMO). I've seen 2011's with 35k miles selling around the $6k price point. With a L2 ESVE a 40 mile round trip is completely manageable, even with up to 35% of battery degradation.

Re: Advice on '15 Leaf S - Phoenix AZ

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 12:52 pm
by alozzy
The Hyundai IoniQ has active cooling, FWIW.

Re: Advice on '15 Leaf S - Phoenix AZ

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 7:31 pm
by GerryAZ
tk1971 wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:A 17% capacity loss in less than three years isn't my idea of good. I'm sure it's better than the original chemistry, but that isn't good enough.
I don't think my iPhone can beat that.

For a short commute there's no better used EV deal than a Leaf (IMO). I've seen 2011's with 35k miles selling around the $6k price point. With a L2 ESVE a 40 mile round trip is completely manageable, even with up to 35% of battery degradation.
I had not thought about comparison to iPhone. The battery in the iPhone I had assigned to me at work completely failed after about 2 years. The battery started expanding and pushing the display up and away from the rest of the housing. I quit charging it and ordered a replacement before it became a fire hazard.

Re: Advice on '15 Leaf S - Phoenix AZ

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:10 pm
by LeftieBiker
I don't think my iPhone can beat that.

Beating a phone with terrible battery longevity isn't a fantastic accomplishment. I'm also guessing that new iPhone batteries don't cost $6000.