You can only say everything you said was relayed correctly from your source. Every day is new so this could simply be a policy change by Nissan but the thought of 24 kwh packs being old and no longer manufactured is something we need to lose because that is not true. Every cell is batch processed and then a pack is created. There is not a whole lot of hoops needed to create any size pack.peted wrote:To be clear, everything I wrote is true. Whether the statement by the dealer, which I referenced, is true or not, I cannot say. While I've read enough on these forums to take your statements as reliable, there is enough missing detail from the statement above that I can't say for sure it applies in our situation.DaveinOlyWA wrote:Not true. I know someone who just paid to have their pack replaced and it was a 24 kwh pack.
Nevertheless, if we ever do decide to pay such a high price to have our LEAF's battery replaced, rest assured we will get a statement in writing from the dealer about what exactly the replacement will be and what it will cost, before actually proceeding with any work.
The person at the dealership we contacted is, so far, very confident in his own statement. Granted, neither of the nearby Nissan dealers have demonstrated much competence with me. Never mind that at both, the staff seems to turn over yearly, which I think is nuts. I hate our local Chevy dealer, but at least I got to deal with the same crooks each time I'd gone in over the past 20 years, instead of having to break in all new ones each time.
You are ignoring a lot:powersurge wrote: The other way of looking at it is that the $9,000 new battery will give you another 8-10 years of car use... I would guess that the useful lifetime of a Leaf is much more than 100,000 miles. so the new battery is a FIXED COST.
"Waste" is a prejudiced way to phrase it. Rest assured, we won't buy the battery if we decide the money would be wasted. If we do decide to buy the battery, then by definition we have established that, at least for us, the money isn't wasted.Evoforce wrote:So as you talk about your circumstances, why waste $9000 on another short term battery? Wouldn't it be best than to sell off or trade it in? Get as much value you can now for Leaf, because of fast depreciation, and get a tax credit on the new purchase of Bolt or Model 3? Last I knew, full tax credit may come back for Tesla. It is sad to be in this position because Leaf is such a good car if not for bad batteries.
How about that. You say something I agree with.DaveinOlyWA wrote: I think Nissan's failing is they don't know how to evaluate their cells effectively.
We own two vehicles:peted wrote: We're certainly not going to be buying a new battery any time soon. But it's just as certain that it's premature to state unequivocally that doing so would be absolutely the wrong choice, or especially that as an alternative we should be looking to spend six times as much on a brand new car, where we'll lose as much value in the first year or two of ownership as two batteries would cost.
1. Neither are depreciation costs.Sagebrush wrote:You are ignoring a lot:
1. The battery is not covered by your insurance.
2. The maintenance costs that come with an older car
3. That $9k buys you a golf cart range car. That was OK in 2011, not today
Golf cart for the win!SageBrush wrote:One golf-cart
By 'not OK' I was talking about cost/range Nissan is charging, not about you at all.peted wrote: I appreciate the input, but the advice would be better-presented if it came strictly with factual statements, rather than value judgments that make assumptions about the factors at play in my particular situation (for example, making a claim as to what is or is not "OK").
If you make an untrue statement, and I quote that statement, saying you said it, then everything I said is true. All I've said is that you said something. That your statement was untrue doesn't make mine untrue as well.DaveinOlyWA wrote:You can only say everything you said was relayed correctly from your source.
I definitely don't know what relevance that has to my statements. I never wrote anything about whether it's true that 24 kWh are or are not available, never mind made a claim as to why that might or might not be the case.DaveinOlyWA wrote:Every day is new so this could simply be a policy change by Nissan but the thought of 24 kwh packs being old and no longer manufactured is something we need to lose because that is not true.
Sure. As I mentioned in the outset, our battery pack only showed significant signs of degradation after we started seeing the problem with the 12V battery getting run down and the dealer asked us to try to reproduce it (they wanted us to be able to bring the car in immediately after it happened, to check the stored error codes...this pattern was repeated several times over a short period).DaveinOlyWA wrote:TBT; Even if it was a 30 kwh pack, I can't figure out a decent TCO on your situation due to wildly different experiences regarding degradation. I know people with 120,000 miles on their 2015 24 kwh pack and not even halfway to losing their first bar along with 30 kwh owners who are on the cusp of their 2ND pack replacement under warranty...