Usaverageguy
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Leaf Number: 016396

Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:22 pm

After 6 weeks of going back and forth with several local Nissan dealers on how to replace the battery in my Leaf they came up with a price of just over $7700. Most quoted around $8500. We ordered the battery and it arrived just a week later. Then I got the call. They did not know that an "adapter kit" was required and the cost would now be $9300 due to extra parts and labor costs. I said no way. They came down on the price to $8400. I offered $8200 and sad not a penny more. I am still waiting on a reply. But at this point, I really do not care if they agree or not.

I am looking at used I3's with REX motor. As well as Volts or possibly a lease on a Bolt until more EV's come on the market. But if I do not get the price I want. I will not replace the Leaf with another one. I will never suggest to anyone that they buy a Nissan. The way they treat their customers is obscene.

thimel
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Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:10 pm
Delivery Date: 11 Jun 2011
Location: SF bay area

Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:26 pm

My 2011 LEAF lost its fourth capacity bar last week at 42,000 miles. My Nissan dealer gave a quote of $8900 to replace it. We will just live with it as we don’t drive it very far anymore.

SageBrush
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Location: NM

Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:43 pm

Usaverageguy wrote: But if I do not get the price I want. I will not replace the Leaf with another one. I will never suggest to anyone that they buy a Nissan. The way they treat their customers is obscene.
But if you get the price you want they stop being obscene, and you recommend Nissan to your friends ?
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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cwerdna
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Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:18 am

Usaverageguy wrote: I am looking at used I3's with REX motor. As well as Volts or possibly a lease on a Bolt until more EV's come on the market. But if I do not get the price I want. I will not replace the Leaf with another one. I will never suggest to anyone that they buy a Nissan. The way they treat their customers is obscene.
DO NOT get an i3 REx if you care about reliability and or low repair costs once out of warranty. See http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=25484. The '14 REx version is especially bad.

I would not want to keep one once its warranty is over. Join https://www.facebook.com/groups/BMWi3/ and lurk for a few weeks. You'll see what I mean.

I'd point you towards the Volt or Bolt instead.

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McHoffa
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Aug 08, 2018 8:32 am

SageBrush wrote:
Usaverageguy wrote: But if I do not get the price I want. I will not replace the Leaf with another one. I will never suggest to anyone that they buy a Nissan. The way they treat their customers is obscene.
But if you get the price you want they stop being obscene, and you recommend Nissan to your friends ?
I know I won't. It's a good commuter car, but the battery sucks and with this kind of treatment of customers on a car that in many cases isn't even paid for yet, no way!

The way I've been treated by Tesla so far is like night and day. Also, two 1800 mile road trips later I can say this is the best EV available.

Valdemar
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Location: Oak Park, CA

Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:25 am

As long suspected the initial price was likely subsidized by Nissan as they were in damage control mode following the original pack debacle trying to please pissed off owners who observed battery longevity far worse than originally promised. Welcome to the real EV total cost of ownership.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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SageBrush
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:23 pm

McHoffa wrote: I know I won't. It's a good commuter car, but the battery sucks and with this kind of treatment of customers on a car that in many cases isn't even paid for yet, no way!
I feel the same way, but then if I am honest with myself I cannot really fault Nissan (too much) for not discounting my ownership. They will not get a return of their investment from me.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

cwerdna
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Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:33 pm

McHoffa wrote: The way I've been treated by Tesla so far is like night and day. Also, two 1800 mile road trips later I can say this is the best EV available.
Sure, when the company has lost north of $5.5 billion so far (maybe $6 billion, need to update my spreadsheet) and has racked up debt of over $10 billion (see page 59 of http://ir.tesla.com/node/18946/html). They lost over $700 million last quarter alone (see page 5 and note those figures are in thousands).

It's "easy" to create products with great performance, provide good service and create a great SC network when making money or just breaking even "doesn't" matter.

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'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

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SageBrush
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:48 pm

cwerdna wrote:
McHoffa wrote: The way I've been treated by Tesla so far is like night and day. Also, two 1800 mile road trips later I can say this is the best EV available.
Sure, when the company has lost north of $5.5 billion so far (maybe $6 billion, need to update my spreadsheet) and has racked up debt of over $10 billion (see page 59 of http://ir.tesla.com/node/18946/html). They lost over $700 million last quarter alone (see page 5 and note those figures are in thousands).

It's "easy" to create products with great performance, provide good service and create a great SC network when making money or just breaking even "doesn't" matter.
Ahem.

Build a Gigafactory
Build a PV factory
Build not one but TWO car production lines
Build out the Supercharger network at a pace unheard of, a magnitude faster than all the others combined.

... And expect to be profitable from Q3 onwards.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
-----
2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

cwerdna
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Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:31 pm
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Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:08 pm

SageBrush wrote:
cwerdna wrote:
McHoffa wrote: The way I've been treated by Tesla so far is like night and day. Also, two 1800 mile road trips later I can say this is the best EV available.
Sure, when the company has lost north of $5.5 billion so far (maybe $6 billion, need to update my spreadsheet) and has racked up debt of over $10 billion (see page 59 of http://ir.tesla.com/node/18946/html). They lost over $700 million last quarter alone (see page 5 and note those figures are in thousands).

It's "easy" to create products with great performance, provide good service and create a great SC network when making money or just breaking even "doesn't" matter.
Ahem.

Build a Gigafactory
Build a PV factory
Build not one but TWO car production lines
Build out the Supercharger network at a pace unheard of, a magnitude faster than all the others combined.

... And expect to be profitable from Q3 onwards.
Sigh... I already went thru this before: http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=509755#p509755 and http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=509813#p509813.

The fanboys like to claim Tesla is profitable with their cars. Ok. There is positive gross profit. But that ALREADY subtracts out the amortized cost of the above capex. Building all those things you described comes out of CASH and doesn't directly by itself upfront count as part of expense. For vehicles, it is spread out over time as part of cost of automotive revenues which fanboys like to point out is profitable and also make the claim that margins are higher than everyone else. (But, it seems like other automakers (at least Ford and GM, haven't checked all others) don't have a separate line item for R&D. They include it in cost of automotive revenues, so of course their apparent gross margin will be lower and Tesla's will be inflated.)

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