camasleaf
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:48 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Usaverageguy wrote: I am looking at used I3's with REX motor. As well as Volts or possibly a lease on a Bolt until more EV's come on the market. But if I do not get the price I want. I will not replace the Leaf with another one. I will never suggest to anyone that they buy a Nissan. The way they treat their customers is obscene.
DO NOT get an i3 REx if you care about reliability and or low repair costs once out of warranty. See http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=25484. The '14 REx version is especially bad.

I would not want to keep one once its warranty is over. Join https://www.facebook.com/groups/BMWi3/ and lurk for a few weeks. You'll see what I mean.

I'd point you towards the Volt or Bolt instead.
Look at Honda Clarity Plugin also. We love it.
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cwerdna
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:20 am

^^^
To clarify, you mean the PHEV version, right? There are 3 versions of the Clarity: BEV, PHEV and hydrogen FCEV. First two can plug in.

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

camasleaf
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:03 am

cwerdna wrote:^^^
To clarify, you mean the PHEV version, right? There are 3 versions of the Clarity: BEV, PHEV and hydrogen FCEV. First two can plug in.
Yes, the plugin hybrid. Thank you. We have chosen the Clarity PHEV over the Volt.
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WetEV
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:13 am

cwerdna wrote:The fanboys like to claim Tesla is profitable with their cars. Ok. There is positive gross profit. But that ALREADY subtracts out the amortized cost of the above capex.
I'm not a Tesla fanboy. Tesla probably is profitable with the Model S, even including capex and R&D. This is huge right there, as other car makers will need to respond. Probably will be soon be with the Model X. Not clear yet with the Model 3LR as to when, but at least years away, maybe a decade. Probably not now or soon, and maybe not ever, with the Model 3SR.
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:51 am

I would consider paying that much for a 40 kwh pack but 24 kwh is simply not capable enough to pay more than say $4000 and even then, I am not sure I would do even that.
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Usaverageguy
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:34 am

The Nissan dealer did call me back and agree to install the battery at my price of $8200. I do not blame the dealer for the problem. It is Nissan that has quietly increased the battery price and yet allowed buyers to still believe they could buy a use Leaf and replace the battery at $5500 plus some labor. And nowhere have I ever heard of an adapter kit necessary to do the replacement.

To be clear. I still love my Leaf. It is a well built car. It is comfortable to drive and I have had no maintenance issues with it. Now that I am getting a new battery and with it better range I am even happier with it. But at this point I would still never recommend a Leaf to anyone. They are too expensive to buy and then have to essentially throw away after because of the battery life issue. Other EV's with liquid cooled battery packs have longer lives and would be a much better choice.

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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:41 pm

Usaverageguy wrote:The Nissan dealer did call me back and agree to install the battery at my price of $8200. I do not blame the dealer for the problem. It is Nissan that has quietly increased the battery price and yet allowed buyers to still believe they could buy a use Leaf and replace the battery at $5500 plus some labor. And nowhere have I ever heard of an adapter kit necessary to do the replacement.

To be clear. I still love my Leaf. It is a well built car. It is comfortable to drive and I have had no maintenance issues with it. Now that I am getting a new battery and with it better range I am even happier with it. But at this point I would still never recommend a Leaf to anyone. They are too expensive to buy and then have to essentially throw away after because of the battery life issue. Other EV's with liquid cooled battery packs have longer lives and would be a much better choice.
+1
*2011 Leaf 1 bought 2/28/15 @ 28,000ish mi 10 bar (8 bars @ 11/25/15 @ 37,453 ) (New lizard @ 39,275 mi @ 1/20/2016) Now 52,166 mi.
*Tesla Model S 61,000 mi
*2011 Leaf 2 bought 4/28/15 @ 24,000ish mi 12 bar (new lizard Dec. 2014 @ 22,273 mi) Now 35,485 mi

SageBrush
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:58 pm

Usaverageguy wrote:The Nissan dealer did call me back and agree to install the battery at my price of $8200. I do not blame the dealer for the problem. It is Nissan that has quietly increased the battery price and yet allowed buyers to still believe they could buy a use Leaf and replace the battery at $5500 plus some labor. And nowhere have I ever heard of an adapter kit necessary to do the replacement.

To be clear. I still love my Leaf. It is a well built car. It is comfortable to drive and I have had no maintenance issues with it. Now that I am getting a new battery and with it better range I am even happier with it. But at this point I would still never recommend a Leaf to anyone. They are too expensive to buy and then have to essentially throw away after because of the battery life issue. Other EV's with liquid cooled battery packs have longer lives and would be a much better choice.
People hate expensive repairs. They will go out and buy something new for 3-5x the repair cost and grumble less.
I'm not sure it is rational.
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Usaverageguy
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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:04 am

Yes. Buying a new car is more expensive than replacing the battery, but I can understand the frustration that would lead you to do that. (My biggest complaint is not the cost. (Although I believe that it is unreasonable) But rather that Nissan made such a big deal about the $5500 battery cost and then allowed owners to believe that was still the price, while they raised the price by 35%.

Had they made an announcement before they raised the price, current owners, that took a chance on their new technology, would have had a chance to replace their batteries before the price hike. Nissan damages their brand when they piss off their customers. Especially when there are so few Leaf owners out there, that would want to replace the battery. But those that would have done so, will never recommend a Nissan product to a friend. No matter how much we like the car. Poor customer service ruins the car owner experience.

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Re: Warning: Battery Replacement Cost Increase (now $8500)

Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:57 am

The risk of dropping 2x of the worthless car's "worth" on a new battery is that a relatively minor fender bender may lead to a "total loss" situation. My car was totaled and I could only get 2k extra for one month old battery, and I felt I got lucky.
'11 SL, totaled
-1CB@33k/21mo, -2CB@53k/33mo, -3CB@68k/41mo, -4CB(41.5AHr)@79k/49mo, -5CB(38.85AHr)@87.5k/54mo
-0CB(66.14AHr)@87.5k/54mo (BBB), -1CB(53.92Ahr)@140k/29mo,
51.1AHr, SOH 80%, 150k miles

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