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### Re: Electric Charge Cost

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:32 am
Flyct wrote:As others stated, it depends on your electric rate.

Here I pay about 10 cents/KWH. Looking at actual electric usage and the inefficiency of the Charger my measured electric usage equates to about 2.4 cents/mile or \$24/mo for each 1000 miles driven.
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Here’s my electric usage by the month for the last year. This is a 3000 sq ft house in a Florida with a pool and a 5 ton, high efficiency air conditioner. We we not Home much March, April and May so usage those months was low.

I could only dream of electricity that cheap in Pacific Gouge & Extort land. I already posted my E-6 schedule.

If one were on E-1 (page 1 of https://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-1.pdf) which isn't TOU and had my summer baseline of 10.1 kWh/day (Area X, "basic electric" of https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/s ... ities.page), 1561 kWh in a month would be insane. 10.1 kWh/day baseline = 303 kWh/month for a 30 day "summer" month.

If I did my math right, 1561 kWh in a summer month on E-1 would be just shy of \$454.

Here's my past year's electricity costs.

### Re: Electric Charge Cost

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:08 am
Here in Ontario, I've done just over 4,000kms and my charge cost is \$40 CAD. It's a no-brainer. 6.5cents per kWh on off peak charging, which is all I do.

### Re: Electric Charge Cost

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:11 am
I think the easiest comparison method is the number of miles you can drive per dollar spent....

To calculate that for an EV, take your average efficiency and divide that by your cost per kWh. For a LEAF, efficiency varies based on conditions, tires, and the driver's habits but 4 miles / kWh is fairly easy to average.

Number of miles per dollar:

4 miles per kWh / \$0.12 per kWh = 33 miles / \$

It won't be exact, but close enough for a relative comparison...

You mentioned that for your "Buick compact 4 cylinder, I pay about \$3.70/gallon for about 23 mpg"

23 mpg / \$3.75 per gallon = 6.1 miles / \$

So, depending on the cost of your electricity, a LEAF will take you roughly 5 times further, per dollar spent, compared to your Buick.

### Re: Electric Charge Cost

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:14 am
jborchel wrote: Although the 2018 ride is much, much improved, the 2018 seems much lighter and less substantial to the older Leaf. I checked the web and the 2018 weighs at least 100 pounds more but it didn't feel that way. I like the heavier feel. The demo was the cheapest model. If I step up a grade or two will I get a different(hopefully heavier) feel or has Nissan made features the only difference? .
Our current 2018 Leaf SV feels a lot lighter than our previous 2015.

I think this is because the power steering makes steering feel lighter. Additionally acceleration is much peppier due to more torque. So between lighter steering feel and better acceleration it’s more nimble. I really like it better than our 2015.

### Re: Electric Charge Cost

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:17 am
alozzy wrote:I think the easiest comparison method is the number of miles you can drive per dollar spent....

To calculate that for an EV, take your average efficiency and divide that by your cost per kWh. For a LEAF, efficiency varies based on conditions, tires, and the driver's habits but 4 miles / kWh is fairly easy to average.

Number of miles per dollar:

4 miles per kWh / \$0.12 per kWh = 33 miles / \$

It won't be exact, but close enough for a relative comparison...

You mentioned that for your "Buick compact 4 cylinder, I pay about \$3.70/gallon for about 23 mpg"

23 mpg / \$3.75 per gallon = 6.1 miles / \$

So, depending on the cost of your electricity, a LEAF will take you roughly 5 times further, per dollar spent, compared to your Buick.
Or 3 cents/ mile vs 16 cents/ mile.

### Re: Electric Charge Cost

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:58 pm
alozzy wrote:I think the easiest comparison method is the number of miles you can drive per dollar spent....

To calculate that for an EV, take your average efficiency and divide that by your cost per kWh. For a LEAF, efficiency varies based on conditions, tires, and the driver's habits but 4 miles / kWh is fairly easy to average.

Number of miles per dollar:

4 miles per kWh / \$0.12 per kWh = 33 miles / \$

It won't be exact, but close enough for a relative comparison...

You mentioned that for your "Buick compact 4 cylinder, I pay about \$3.70/gallon for about 23 mpg"

23 mpg / \$3.75 per gallon = 6.1 miles / \$

So, depending on the cost of your electricity, a LEAF will take you roughly 5 times further, per dollar spent, compared to your Buick.
4 miles / kWh out of the wall is not realistic unless one drives quite slow (no highway driving) and charges at 240 volts and not 120. See http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=4295. There are also charging losses which are much worse at 120 volts.

Dash display and Tony's range chart don't take into account charging losses and overhead. I certainly do not average 4 miles/kWh (per dash display) in my typical driving, but I don't drive for efficiency, in most cases.

We learned that the OP is in PG&E-land. 12 cents/kWh is not realistic at all for us, unless you opt for a plan that kills you during all other hours. See my earlier posts.

\$3.70/gal is on currently the high side for Sacramento. See https://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPrices/Cali ... Sacramento and https://www.gasbuddy.com/home?search=sacramento&fuel=1. The latter currently says the lowest is \$2.98/gal and the average is \$3.56/gal.

### Re: Electric Charge Cost

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:20 pm
You've completely missed the point. I was giving him a methodology for comparing "fuel" costs between an EV and an ICE. The numbers are irrelevant in my examples, of course the OP has to adjust to his own use case.

### Re: Electric Charge Cost

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 9:48 am
If I may pitch a suggestion, check with your local power company for rebates or power plans for electric cars.

When I moved into my first home, my electric company just started a pilot power plan for electric owners and offered \$10k off on brand new LEAFs.

I was able to use the rebate to switch from my '15 lease to a '17 model with the rebate plus using the 7500 federal and plus more in state taxes to get the car even cheaper.

As for the power plan, the new pilot power plan was a time of day based. 3.3cents per kWh off peak times, and 36 cents on peak times per kWh. The peak times are 3pm to 8pm weekdays. Holidays and all other times are off-peak.

I was paying about \$120 per month for electricity with my car but now I am paying about \$40 a month with the new power plan.

I drive about 80 miles a day and I used to be paying about \$80 a month in gas back in 2015 and now my LEAF is only \$12 a month today.

It is nice to not have to pay so much in gas and also dont have to pay for "gas" on the spot but a month later when the bill comes in.

### Re: Electric Charge Cost

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:10 pm
Beefjerkie wrote:If I may pitch a suggestion, check with your local power company for rebates or power plans for electric cars.

When I moved into my first home, my electric company just started a pilot power plan for electric owners and offered \$10k off on brand new LEAFs.

I was able to use the rebate to switch from my '15 lease to a '17 model with the rebate plus using the 7500 federal and plus more in state taxes to get the car even cheaper.

As for the power plan, the new pilot power plan was a time of day based. 3.3cents per kWh off peak times, and 36 cents on peak times per kWh. The peak times are 3pm to 8pm weekdays. Holidays and all other times are off-peak.
I already posted them. See the EV plans at http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=531569#p531569. Our rates are WAY higher than yours. Per PG&E's comparison tool, the only cheaper plan for my usage would be E-6 Smart. All those EV plans, ETOU-A and B, etc. are worse for me.

There is a 1 time https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/s ... icles.page you can get. There is also https://www.pge.com/en/about/newsroom/n ... ic_vehicle.

### Re: Electric Charge Cost

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:22 pm
Found this in one of the links in the last post:

"Committed to increasing adoption of clean vehicles in the state, PG&E continues its efforts to make it easier for customers to make the switch to EVs. On PG&E's residential EV rate plans, customers pay the equivalent of \$1.20 per gallon to charge their vehicle overnight."

I rechecked my current gas price and it's more like \$2.49/gallon. The quote above then says my bill for fuel every month would be about 1/2 what I pay now, not 1/5 to 1/4 as outlined in some posts.

Did stumble across a plus in favor of change. Another thread suggest dedicated 120V line for overnight charging. These Del Webb homes have a dedicated golf cart charging plug. So that's good I think. Is there a way to know if a line is actually dedicated through some type of instrument?