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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:40 am

Fenix Buying Outright Vs Fenix Battery As A Service Vs Nissan

Fenix Buying Outright:
- Less Expensive Nissan Pack
-Ability to buy new modules through us if needed.
-Cells are going to be from a range of packs: overproduced, salvage,
or from other packs not used anymore.
-The battery bars/range will be given a minimum requirement before being sold.
-Ability to buy a longer range pack for an affordable price.


-Starting price around $3500

Fenix Battery As A Service:
-Get temporary upgrade from current bad battery to this for the time being.
-Await our new technology and just switch up when it is available.
New technology to have thermal management.

-Guarantee on a certain amount of degradation. -We maintenance and
replace degraded cells for no extra charge.

Cost: installation fee + $2-$3 per kWh/per month

Nissan:
-One time replacement
-High price
-No support for packs
-Starting Price $8500


Fenix Battery Survey: https://fenix.systems/ev-life?utm_sourc ... 286facc622
Fenix Power Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement - LEAF 380 / LEAF380

For more info click here: http://LEAF380.com

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:50 am

But Nissan pack is available today if you really really need it. Fenix pack is available???
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:04 pm

You forgot DIY battery upgrades.

Cost is 1000-1500$ for a kit to DIY
40-62kWh batteries can be had for 4000-6000$ in the US

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:25 am

Dala wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:04 pm
You forgot DIY battery upgrades.

Cost is 1000-1500$ for a kit to DIY
40-62kWh batteries can be had for 4000-6000$ in the US
Genuinely curious on this option:
So, you buy the DIY kit. Then you find a salvaged Leaf, or you can find a salvaged 40-62w battery online? Then have it shipped? For people like me who can't DIY the battery swap, I would work with a local mechanic that can do the swap for me? How many hours/cost would be reasonable? I'm in the southeast.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:39 am

Rktennis wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:25 am
Dala wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:04 pm
You forgot DIY battery upgrades.

Cost is 1000-1500$ for a kit to DIY
40-62kWh batteries can be had for 4000-6000$ in the US
Genuinely curious on this option:
So, you buy the DIY kit. Then you find a salvaged Leaf, or you can find a salvaged 40-62w battery online? Then have it shipped? For people like me who can't DIY the battery swap, I would work with a local mechanic that can do the swap for me? How many hours/cost would be reasonable? I'm in the southeast.
I would estimate 1-4 working days, depending on which model you start with (ZE0 is harder than AZE0) and the skill level of the people doing the swap.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:50 am

Rktennis wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:25 am
Dala wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:04 pm
You forgot DIY battery upgrades.

Cost is 1000-1500$ for a kit to DIY
40-62kWh batteries can be had for 4000-6000$ in the US
Genuinely curious on this option:
So, you buy the DIY kit. Then you find a salvaged Leaf, or you can find a salvaged 40-62w battery online? Then have it shipped? For people like me who can't DIY the battery swap, I would work with a local mechanic that can do the swap for me? How many hours/cost would be reasonable? I'm in the southeast.
When all is said and done; guessing about the same w/o the guarantees.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 3500.3 mi, 96.95% SOH
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:58 pm

Fenix will also offer Outright purchase (Fenix Battery Modules)– "In this model, a customer may opt to pay the full purchase price of the storage their vehicle needs. ...However, with this purchase option, if the buyer wishes to have the benefits of our service, they will still have to subscribe to our service. This subscription cost will be quite low, but sufficient to cover our back-end costs and our module-swap program including the vehicle service to swap the modules. We are still developing the own+service subscription cost."
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:26 pm

The mechanic is going to need a pallet jack or forklift to get that battery out and back in. My Toyota 4,400lb pallet jack shouldn't have any trouble and I plan to invent a pack dolly that goes on a pallet jack.

Most mechanics won't drop a fuel tank that's full of fuel in most cars and fuel tank isn't even that heavy compaored to a leaf battery.

My budget all in, to get a very totalled 62kwh car, to include selling my cherry 12bar 2011 pack, selling all the 2019 cars parts that aren't wrecked and hauling the picked clean 2019 carcass to the scrap yatd should be well under $3,500.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:23 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:26 pm
The mechanic is going to need a pallet jack or forklift to get that battery out and back in. My Toyota 4,400lb pallet jack shouldn't have any trouble and I plan to invent a pack dolly that goes on a pallet jack.

Most mechanics won't drop a fuel tank that's full of fuel in most cars and fuel tank isn't even that heavy compaored to a leaf battery.

My budget all in, to get a very totalled 62kwh car, to include selling my cherry 12bar 2011 pack, selling all the 2019 cars parts that aren't wrecked and hauling the picked clean 2019 carcass to the scrap yatd should be well under $3,500.
Can you break that cost analysis down?
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 3500.3 mi, 96.95% SOH
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:41 am

Rktennis wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:25 am
Dala wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:04 pm
You forgot DIY battery upgrades.

Cost is 1000-1500$ for a kit to DIY
40-62kWh batteries can be had for 4000-6000$ in the US
Genuinely curious on this option:
So, you buy the DIY kit. Then you find a salvaged Leaf, or you can find a salvaged 40-62w battery online? Then have it shipped? For people like me who can't DIY the battery swap, I would work with a local mechanic that can do the swap for me? How many hours/cost would be reasonable? I'm in the southeast.
I really see a battery swap to be "an experiment" to be done DIY. You buy the battery, and win or lose the labor is yours.

If you are not a DIY, then you really need to go the the Nissan Dealer. It will not be possible with a regular mechanic.

1) You are dealing with high voltages and no mechanic is going to take a chance with the liability.
2) You are dealing with a very expensive piece of tech. and no mechanic is going to take a chance with the liability.
3) There is no way to know - up front, if it will work, or how much time and labor will be. and no mechanic is going to take a chance with the liability.
4) Each project will be different and unique, and there is an issue of guarantee/ warranty of work. and no mechanic is going to take a chance with the liability.

Unfortunately non-mechanical people will not be able to get a cheap battery swap. They will pay full price to Nissan.

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