DaveinOlyWA
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun May 17, 2020 6:08 am

Oilpan4 wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 10:16 pm
Get a Nissan replacement.
Aren't they all "30kwh" packs and $5,500?
Well really $6,500 after labor, taxes, fees ect.
No, the 24 kwh pack is $4500 with "required" exchange plus labor and any parts if needed. The 30 kwh pack is no longer available and this rumor really seems to have legs. Gary is claiming the same thing.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 10,081 mi, 95.03% SOH
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun May 17, 2020 9:56 am

...and my OEM Lizard 2015 LeafS, TX heat, is at 5 years, 37k miles, 11bars, 80m on the GOM. Either I was lucky, or they finally had the 24kWh figured out. No regrets, functioning as designed/promised.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun May 17, 2020 12:29 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 4:09 am
it seems to imply that '11 to '15 Leafs and original '16 S still only get 24 kWh packs. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
That's my take-away also. It's all right there in the flow-chart. :ugeek: I see a lot of this kind of thing since many of my work colleagues live in Japan. It's a great way to communicate since my Japanese is non-existent....

The bulletin also shows the battery case modifications required for 2011-2012 Leaf's to use the replacement pack. I didn't know that was needed. I assume the same mods could be made to put a 40kWh pack into a 2011-2012.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun May 17, 2020 12:41 pm

goldbrick wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 12:29 pm
cwerdna wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 4:09 am
it seems to imply that '11 to '15 Leafs and original '16 S still only get 24 kWh packs. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
That's my take-away also. It's all right there in the flow-chart. :ugeek: I see a lot of this kind of thing since many of my work colleagues live in Japan. It's a great way to communicate since my Japanese is non-existent....

The bulletin also shows the battery case modifications required for 2011-2012 Leaf's to use the replacement pack. I didn't know that was needed. I assume the same mods could be made to put a 40kWh pack into a 2011-2012.
Remember TaylorSFGuy? First one in the US (probably the World) to go 100,000 miles on a LEAF?

Here is a story of that very same car.

https://daveinolywa.blogspot.com/2020/0 ... es-to.html
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 10,081 mi, 95.03% SOH
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun May 17, 2020 2:18 pm

Wow nissan is really trying to not give any upgrades.
That's good that the total price is 5500 and not starting at 5500.
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Re: FENIX POWER BATTERY UPGRADE UPDATE MAY, 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 7:10 am

cwerdna wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 4:06 pm
He mentioned 60 refunds they need to work through. IMHO, if they can't handle that, they have very little $ on hand.
9:50 It sounded like he said 16 people in the backlog of refunds, and that he now says they can take up to 90 days to get you a refund of your deposit. Then he added "before all this, we were processing them [refunds] in the same day..."

9:02 But, that was just after he said he was planning on using the "Small Business Emergency Loan Distribution Advance" to cover making (future) refunds.
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Re: FENIX POWER BATTERY UPGRADE UPDATE MAY, 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 2:22 pm

powersurge wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 1:22 pm
Here is a recent hour-long video on Youtube..

I will not comment on this, but let you interpret it yourself..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sdXa0TKWxs&t=195s
Thanks for the link. Having 650 pre release sales showed a lot of interest in Leaf replacement batteries. Not having a net work of contracted installers and the parts to install batteries post pandemic and the refund demands when already forging for cash then losing two investors back to back must be a triple blow.

He sounds sincere but just ran out of time and cash at the same time of a major pandemic.

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Re: FENIX POWER BATTERY UPGRADE UPDATE MAY, 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 4:17 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 2:22 pm
He sounds sincere but just ran out of time and cash at the same time of a major pandemic.
He does, but in my view his big mistake was using the customer deposits as funding for the development. He should have held the funds in an escrow account and used the account as leverage to get investor money for the development of the product. Then he could easily refund any and every deposit the moment any of them asked for one returned. And the only ones putting money at risk are the founders and any additional investors that get brought in to develop the product. So sad that so many people are getting caught up in this. The idea is great, but the execution is not going as well. I hope they find a way to eventually get a product to market as there really is a need for their product. But given the delays to date, I don't have high expectations from this company.
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Re: FENIX POWER BATTERY UPGRADE UPDATE MAY, 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 5:26 pm

palmermd wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 4:17 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 2:22 pm
He sounds sincere but just ran out of time and cash at the same time of a major pandemic.
He does, but in my view his big mistake was using the customer deposits as funding for the development. He should have held the funds in an escrow account and used the account as leverage to get investor money for the development of the product. Then he could easily refund any and every deposit the moment any of them asked for one returned. And the only ones putting money at risk are the founders and any additional investors that get brought in to develop the product. So sad that so many people are getting caught up in this. The idea is great, but the execution is not going as well. I hope they find a way to eventually get a product to market as there really is a need for their product. But given the delays to date, I don't have high expectations from this company.
When the investors with inside knowledge cut their loss by pulling financial support the hand writing on the wall is clear as day. After the trouble I had getting the new Nissan battery in our 2016 SL the first of this year was the first I knew about Nissan Corp being at risk of failure. I was thankful our new battery started out with a SOH of 99.87%

If the guy in the video has been on the job since 2016 I really do not understand why they did not start filling orders a few years ago?

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Re: FENIX POWER BATTERY UPGRADE UPDATE MAY, 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 1:14 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 2:22 pm
Having 650 pre release sales showed a lot of interest in Leaf replacement batteries.
If 650 is the count, I'm not sure if you're serious in terms of "a lot". IIRC, US Leaf sales are a bit north of 140K units total. If we assume all 650 of those are in the US, that's under 0.5% of Leafs.

In comparison, in the US alone, Tesla was selling an average of over 13K Model 3's each month in 2019 (https://insideevs.com/news/343998/month ... scorecard/).

Even Chevy was selling ~1.3K Bolts/month in the US.
jlv wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 7:10 am
cwerdna wrote:
Fri May 15, 2020 4:06 pm
He mentioned 60 refunds they need to work through. IMHO, if they can't handle that, they have very little $ on hand.
9:50 It sounded like he said 16 people in the backlog of refunds, and that he now says they can take up to 90 days to get you a refund of your deposit. Then he added "before all this, we were processing them [refunds] in the same day..."
Thank you for the correction. It does sound like 16, now that you mention it.

I wasn't listening carefully and probably had the speed turned up. Still isn't a great sign of their financial situation if they can't refund 16 people in a timely fashion. If it takes an hour per refund and someone spends 4 hours/day on these, they'd be done in 4 days, if there were funds available.

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