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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:13 pm
by RonSwanson
cwerdna wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:49 pm
A peek at some customer/potential customer posts at https://www.facebook.com/groups/FenixPowerCoForum/ isn't too promising either.
Poor Scott Boyd has gotten the cold shoulder after taking out a loan for this. :(

Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:36 am
by jlv
cwerdna wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:07 pm
At this pace, I wouldn't be surprised if their thermally-managed battery as a service w/more than 24 kWh of capacity blah blah never ships. It may become completely irreverent with an insufficient market if they ever complete development and testing.
I'd be completely surprised if their "thermally-managed battery as a service w/more than 24 kWh of capacity blah blah" ever ships.

Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:46 am
by johnlocke
jlv wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:36 am
cwerdna wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:07 pm
At this pace, I wouldn't be surprised if their thermally-managed battery as a service w/more than 24 kWh of capacity blah blah never ships. It may become completely irreverent with an insufficient market if they ever complete development and testing.
I'd be completely surprised if their "thermally-managed battery as a service w/more than 24 kWh of capacity blah blah" ever ships.
If they ever ship anything of their own, it had better be a least 40 KWH or they won't have a market to sell to. Their market is limited to start with and limiting it to 2011-2015 leafs whose owners will be satisfied with a small battery size is still more limited. With a 60 KWH battery they would have a shot at the entire market. I'll believe it when they show me a production ready battery. Until then it"s just hot air.

Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:06 pm
by LeftieBiker
I think that a bulletproof 30kwh pack would sell well enough to gen I Leaf owners with multiple bars gone. It would amount to finally having the solid 100 mile range Leaf they thought they were buying.

Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:04 pm
by johnlocke
LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:06 pm
I think that a bulletproof 30kwh pack would sell well enough to gen I Leaf owners with multiple bars gone. It would amount to finally having the solid 100 mile range Leaf they thought they were buying.
Problem is 100 mile range just isn't good enough anymore. A 150 mile range is going to be about the minimum. Putting $7000 into a $7000 car just to get back to even isn't likely to excite many people. If you could take a $3000 2011 with a clapped out battery and add a 40KWH battery at say $9000, that might be interesting. Particularly if you can lease the battery instead of an outright purchase.

Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:01 pm
by LeftieBiker
Two things: you are stating opinions as facts - as we are all prone to doing - and you think that 100 real world miles is just getting back to the car's original range. It is, in fact, about 25 miles more than the car's original real world range, and in the case of Gen I Leafs it's closer to double the average lifetime range of the car. Yes, a used 40kwh pack is a great option where possible, but a thermally managed, brand new and warrantied 30 kwh pack would be better for those in hot climates.

Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:34 am
by SageBrush
LeftieBiker wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:06 pm
I think that a bulletproof 30kwh pack would sell well enough to gen I Leaf owners with multiple bars gone.
I agree. It does not even have to be bullet-proof. About original quality would be OK too ...

IF it was not expensive. People dump their old cars when faced with a ~ $2,000 repair bill. Fenix is trying to offer lousy refurbs that start out with ~ 50 - 60 miles of range for $4,000. A like new, 30 kWh battery with a believable 5+ year warranty for $4,000 installed would have a chance of market success.

Just my opinion of course.

Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:05 pm
by Marktm
SageBrush wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:34 am
A like new, 30 kWh battery with a believable 5+ year warranty for $4,000 installed would have a chance of commercial success.

Just my opinion of course.
I'd likely go for it as a 100 mile range would be perfect for my use. Even if it degrades to 80-90 miles would result in a short stop half way, which would allow me to drive my Leaf rather than my Suburban. Add a V2H 6kW on board charger and now I have a portable energy storage system for my property (with 7kW solar). As that was the original intent, much satisfaction! Dream on.

Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:48 pm
by Oilpan4
You get a 30kwh battery the way Nissan rates them, but only 27kwh is usable.
Then you get about 3 miles per kwh on the highway, less in the winter. So best case scenario 100 miles reliability, in the summer.
Yeah you could go 150 miles, if you just drove around in the city all day delivering pizzas or something.

I have seen 40kwh batteries a lot cheaper than $9,000. Hell that's just about what you need to get a 62kwh batt.
I would like to get a 62kwh battery but if I spend 8 or 9 grand on a battery or wrecked car my wife will kick my ass.

Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:48 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
I know someone with a 2018 Soul and he has 30 kwh usable. He just checked his pack and according to the car, its around 95% and he has over 50,000 miles on his which included the big EV show in Dallas last spring so a lot of roadtripping for him. Only has air cooling with 'user" supplied A/C that runs thru the cabin into the battery compartment.

The big advantage he has is ability to receive full DC charging from the station up past 75% SOC.

My 30 kwh LEAF didn't start slowing down until after 80% SOC and if the 40 had done the same, I might have kept that one but Rapidgate forced me to get more range to cover those contingencies.