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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:43 pm

They really need to update their website that says "Installations starting in July!" everywhere.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:43 pm

jlv wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:43 pm
They really need to update their website that says "Installations starting in July!" everywhere.
Of what year? ;)

I also noticed at places like https://fenix.systems/product/leaf-cpo- ... w-customer talking about 60 days. It seems folks have plunked down their $ and waited longer than that.
This purchase will work as follows: We’re going to try to optimize the shipping of batteries to our installers, so please understand that once your purchase we will contact you and connect you with your local installation partner to arrange for installation. We have tools lead time of about 4 weeks, and a battery shipping lead time of about 2 weeks, but guarantee this purchase will deliver the installation of your certified-pre-owned OEM Leaf battery within 60 days of purchase.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:36 pm

It's not good news when they are this far in (years?) and they still haven't installed a single battery and are looking for investors. I feel bad for the poor saps who gave them a penny.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:02 pm

EVornottoEV wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:36 pm
It's not good news when they are this far in (years?) and they still haven't installed a single battery and are looking for investors. I feel bad for the poor saps who gave them a penny.
Nor have we seen any evidence that they ever got their pie in the sky thermally managed pack w/modules, connectivity, etc. (viewtopic.php?f=27&t=26597&p=539410&hil ... es#p539410 and viewtopic.php?f=27&t=26597&p=538932&hil ... ng#p538932) even working. By working, I'm talking about at minimum, successfully propelling a Leaf with no ! yellow car, no DTCs (not just the failsafe mode with an unauthorized/non-paired battery pack) and at highway speeds and Leaf successfully charging it w/o DTCs.

Further tests/milestones could include charging it to full and car stopping properly on L2, then CHAdeMO. And, proving nothing bad happens if the car is driven until it stops due lack of juice. Then, there's the thermal management and connectivity bits. A lot can be tested on the thermal side, including operation (driving) and charging at extreme hot and cold.

Obviously now they've shifted to this used Leaf pack business for the time being and I've yet to hear of a successful install of that...

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Sun Aug 30, 2020 6:10 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:02 pm
Obviously now they've shifted to this used Leaf pack business
So far as I can tell they are not installing anything, or have any plans to do so.
I think their idea is to act as a middle-man between the customer and independent installers.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:43 am

cwerdna wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:02 pm
Nor have we seen any evidence that they ever got their pie in the sky thermally managed pack w/modules, connectivity, etc. even working.
Has there been any evidence of their "pie in the sky thermally managed pack w/modules, connectivity, etc." even existing, beyond the written descriptions of it?

(I keep going back to the picture of the empty warehouse)
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:18 am

jlv wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:43 am
Has there been any evidence of their "pie in the sky thermally managed pack w/modules, connectivity, etc." even existing, beyond the written descriptions of it?

(I keep going back to the picture of the empty warehouse)
Is that a rhetorical question ?
Fenix has not been able to raise the few thousand dollars needed to buy a couple refurb batteries to ship to installers. My guess for the 'pie-in-the-sky' story is 50 million, or more.
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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:41 pm

jlv wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:43 am
cwerdna wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:02 pm
Nor have we seen any evidence that they ever got their pie in the sky thermally managed pack w/modules, connectivity, etc. even working.
Has there been any evidence of their "pie in the sky thermally managed pack w/modules, connectivity, etc." even existing, beyond the written descriptions of it?

(I keep going back to the picture of the empty warehouse)
I'm unaware of any pics or videos showing any sort of status or prototypes of it. But, I don't follow them closely due to lack of interest and my chance of being a customer of theirs being 0.

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:22 pm

Yet another nothing burger from https://www.facebook.com/groups/FenixPowerCoForum/ below. Emphasis added by me:
I hope you all get this one. I just wrote a long post, but lost it.
First you all should know that we, as other businesses have encounter COVID-19 problems with our partners and suppliers. We appreciate your loyalty and hope you can hang on with us just ashort time longer.
We got some very good news today from our financial partners and believe we will have great news for you later this week. We should be ready to finally launch our subscriptions services shortly.
As well, we are firmly convinced that our solutions now and into the future are superior and will be light years ahead of anyone who wants to compete with us over the next 12 to 24 months.
Our most difficult problem has been raising capital, however that looks like it will finally be turning around as well. We had great news from our financial partners today with regard to moving forward. So just stay with us a short time longer and you will not regret that decision and will be rewarded in the future. Thank you again for your loyalty.
That's their most difficult problem? How about engineering, testing and validation? Or did that never get anywhere?

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Re: Fenix Power: A new third party battery replacement?

Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:13 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:22 pm
Yet another nothing burger from https://www.facebook.com/groups/FenixPowerCoForum/ below. Emphasis added by me:
Our most difficult problem has been raising capital, however that looks like it will finally be turning around as well. We had great news from our financial partners today with regard to moving forward. So just stay with us a short time longer and you will not regret that decision and will be rewarded in the future. Thank you again for your loyalty.
That's their most difficult problem? How about engineering, testing and validation? Or did that never get anywhere?
I think he is talking about the refurbed pack gig. I suspect that they have to pay for the batteries up front, and they want to buy a couple at a time to save shipping costs. I really think that this scheme is going to come crashing down when refurbs fail way sooner than they are planning and Fenix is on the hook for the warranty replacements.
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