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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:01 pm
by Nubo
TonyWilliams wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:46 am
1) Contrary to claims stated here, JDapter Stub™ has been vetted with Tesla prior to release
If this is the case, I fail to see why people keep arguing. If Tesla is ok with it and the site operators are not restricting access then that's pretty much "case closed" as far as I'm concerned.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:52 pm
by WetEV
Nubo wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:01 pm
TonyWilliams wrote:
Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:46 am
1) Contrary to claims stated here, JDapter Stub™ has been vetted with Tesla prior to release
If this is the case, I fail to see why people keep arguing. If Tesla is ok with it and the site operators are not restricting access then that's pretty much "case closed" as far as I'm concerned.
Excluding some Tesla owners that are Special.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:11 am
by SageBrush
alozzy wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:43 am
I don't use a hack adapter, I've never once charged from a Tesla EVSE. You've entirely missed my point...

For the few people using a hack adapter at a Tesla EVSE, there are many more Tesla owners charging far too long at public EVSEs. Those jerks are starting to tarnish the reputation of all Tesla owners, fair or not.

In other words, there are jerks in both camps and the jerks are starting to make everyone else jaded - it becomes a vicious cycle.

I'm not excusing the behavior, but I guarantee some of those people who bought the hack adapters were at least partly motivated by frustrations with Tesla owners and feel they are giving them a taste of their own medicine.
I don't practice or excuse poor charging etiquette, so you can put away your straw man and 'two wrongs make a right' arguments.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:22 am
by WetEV
SageBrush wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:11 am
I don't practice or excuse poor charging etiquette,
Tesla drivers have more rights than other drivers.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:32 am
by SageBrush
WetEV wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:22 am
SageBrush wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:11 am
I don't practice or excuse poor charging etiquette,
Tesla drivers have more rights than other drivers.
If by that you mean a vastly better car and a vastly better charging network and a vastly better company, we agree !

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:56 am
by WetEV
SageBrush wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:32 am
If by that you mean a vastly better car and a vastly better charging network and a vastly better company, we agree !
A vastly better charging network because Tesla uses everyone else's networks as well. For parking as well as charging.

What is yours is yours, what isn't you will share. As long as you get a Tesla sized share.

It's really amusing getting to a DCQC and finding a Tesla parked, not plugged in, blocking the station.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:58 am
by WetEV
SageBrush wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:32 am
If by that you mean a vastly better car and a vastly better charging network and a vastly better company, we agree !
A vastly better charging network because Tesla uses everyone else's networks as well.

What is yours is yours, what isn't you might share. As long as you get a Tesla sized share.

It's really amusing getting to come back to an L2 and finding a Tesla driver has unplugged your car and is charging.

I just love the attitude of Tesla drivers.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:22 pm
by alozzy
SageBrush wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:11 am
alozzy wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:43 am
I don't use a hack adapter, I've never once charged from a Tesla EVSE. You've entirely missed my point...

For the few people using a hack adapter at a Tesla EVSE, there are many more Tesla owners charging far too long at public EVSEs. Those jerks are starting to tarnish the reputation of all Tesla owners, fair or not.

In other words, there are jerks in both camps and the jerks are starting to make everyone else jaded - it becomes a vicious cycle.

I'm not excusing the behavior, but I guarantee some of those people who bought the hack adapters were at least partly motivated by frustrations with Tesla owners and feel they are giving them a taste of their own medicine.
I don't practice or excuse poor charging etiquette, so you can put away your straw man and 'two wrongs make a right' arguments.
Dredging that up again, are you? See here: https://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php? ... 40#p537719, where I said:
People are buying these hack adapters because other charging options are unavailable, due to the jerks that are camping out at non Tesla EVSEs, and they see the hack adapter as a way of accessing more charging options.

There are only two fixes for this - more charging infrastructure and better etiquette from all EV owners.
With more big battery EVs on the road now, and more EVs in general, the lineups at public EVSEs have recently gotten much worse and often last all day long. Patience is in short supply in this world, so it's inevitable that people will look for a way to cheat the lineups.

However, you seem to think that the most plausible explanation why people would spend hundreds for a hack adapter is so they can steal electricity from Tesla. Anyone who is that spend thrift would most certainly do the payback period math and realize it's not worth it!

So, I'm not interested in an irrelevant ethical debate with you - I neither condone nor advocate that people should buy a hack adapter. You keep trying to make me feel guilty, like I'm somehow complicit:
That is your justification for using a hack adapter ? Really ?!
You are trying to say that two wrongs make a right
I don't practice or excuse poor charging etiquette, so you can put away your straw man and 'two wrongs make a right' arguments
Get off your high horse!

If public EVSEs were as ubiquitous at gas stations, the only people who would buy hack adapters would be irrational Telsa haters, just looking to stick it to Tesla regardless of the cost.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:27 am
by powersurge
Why do so many conversations on this site devolve into moral /ownership justification battles. This is yours/ mine stupidity reminds me of the "possession" games we used to play as kids. "Don't step on MY grass in front of my house!", "That is MY ball, and you cannot touch it!"

The reality is that adapters for different systems are here. They are not illegal. If you can find a charging station that is not being used, then use it. End of story!!!! After all, what good is a charging station that is not being used? There are too many of those around, and using them will be the only way to get more.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:40 am
by SageBrush
" I neither condone nor advocate that people should buy a hack adapter."
Good

I could not care less why people buy hack adapters. My simple point is that it is unethical to use them at Tesla destination EVSEs because those installations were paid for by Tesla (and by extension, Tesla owners) for use by Tesla owners. Moreover, Tesla has taken steps to prevent the use of hack adapters. Those actions may be only partially successful but it should leave no doubt about Tesla intent for who uses the EVSE.

Notice in this sign that hack adapters are not invited.

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