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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:40 pm
by WetEV
Zythryn wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:03 pm
WetEV wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:36 pm
If Tesla wants Tesla only charging stations, fine, then Tesla drivers need to use those stations, and not the limited public charging. Especially when they misuse the public charging, for parking spots and unplugging cars that are charging.

"What's mine is mine, what is yours we will share." Doesn't that attitude bother you?...

Or think about this. You arrive late at night at a hotel in a non-Tesla electric, and there are two charging stations. A J1772 with a Tesla charging, and a Tesla only station that is vacant.
That attitude would bother me, if I saw anyone exhibiting it.
The analogy would be more accurate like this: “what’s mine is mine, what’s public property I can use.”
Both stations are not truly "public" property. The property is owned by the hotel. The power bill is paid by the hotel. You pay the hotel for a room and a charge.

Except you don't get the charge. You are OK with that, right?

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:21 pm
by webeleafowners
WetEV wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:36 pm
Zythryn wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:10 pm
WetEV wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:58 am
What is for Tesla cars is for Tesla cars.

Everything else we share. As long as the Tesla cars get more than their share.

I just love the privileged attitude.
A private company provides hardware to another private company to service their mutual customers.
Somehow you think people that aren't customers should be able to charge using a third party adapter and you think THEY have a privileged attitude???
Backwards.

If Tesla wants Tesla only charging stations, fine, then Tesla drivers need to use those stations, and not the limited public charging. Especially when they misuse the public charging, for parking spots and unplugging cars that are charging.

"What's mine is mine, what is yours we will share." Doesn't that attitude bother you?

Or think about this. You arrive late at night at a hotel in a non-Tesla electric, and there are two charging stations. A J1772 with a Tesla charging, and a Tesla only station that is vacant.
Happened to us last year at predator ridge.

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Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:51 pm
by alozzy
Abuse of charging spots is in no way limited to Tesla owners.
True, it's not just Telsa owners. However, up until recently, they have most often been the abusers. Now that other large pack EVs are showing up at chargers, those owners are likewise charging for far too long, keeping other people waiting. For whatever reason, at least in Vancouver, Bolt owners are generally more accommodating.

The real problem is with the attitude that "I'm going to get my 20% to 90% charge in", regardless of the pack size. As we all know, a 100 kWh Tesla pack, using a 50 kWh DC charger, is going to take well over an hour to get a 70% SOC pull, whereas a 24 kWh LEAF is going to do the same thing in 20 mins.

If L3 EVSEs were programmed to cap the charging time to 1hr, that would be ideal. It could also be programmed to allow the same car (VIN tracking) to charge again after a 15 minute wait, so that if there is no lineup then that owner can keep charging.

Fortunately, the early adopters generally have a decent amount of patience, but I worry about when EVs are more the norm and some of the less patient types start to wage war at charging stations. This really needs to be fixed ASAP, it's been a problem for too long already.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:43 pm
by johnlocke
WetEV wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:40 pm
Zythryn wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:03 pm
WetEV wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:36 pm
If Tesla wants Tesla only charging stations, fine, then Tesla drivers need to use those stations, and not the limited public charging. Especially when they misuse the public charging, for parking spots and unplugging cars that are charging.

"What's mine is mine, what is yours we will share." Doesn't that attitude bother you?...

Or think about this. You arrive late at night at a hotel in a non-Tesla electric, and there are two charging stations. A J1772 with a Tesla charging, and a Tesla only station that is vacant.
That attitude would bother me, if I saw anyone exhibiting it.
The analogy would be more accurate like this: “what’s mine is mine, what’s public property I can use.”
Both stations are not truly "public" property. The property is owned by the hotel. The power bill is paid by the hotel. You pay the hotel for a room and a charge.

Except you don't get the charge. You are OK with that, right?
Public chargers are just that, PUBLIC! Anyone is free to use them including Tesla owners. Do you think Blink or EVGO cares about who charges what. They just want their money for providing a service. It might be rude for a Tesla owner to use a non Tesla charger IF there is a vacant one nearby. Are you going to blame the Bolt owner for charging for over an hour as well? How about the Lyft driver who charges twice a day because he has a NCTC card and gets the power for free? If Tesla installs chargers for the convenience of their customers, that's a Tesla perk and adds value. Did you ever consider that when the Tesla pulled up the Tesla charger could have been occupied? Did that hotel charge you explicitly for charging or was it a convenience feature? Or do you think that the hotel pool is for your exclusive use too?

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:44 am
by iPlug
webeleafowners wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:21 pm
WetEV wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:36 pm
Zythryn wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:10 pm


A private company provides hardware to another private company to service their mutual customers.
Somehow you think people that aren't customers should be able to charge using a third party adapter and you think THEY have a privileged attitude???
Backwards.

If Tesla wants Tesla only charging stations, fine, then Tesla drivers need to use those stations, and not the limited public charging. Especially when they misuse the public charging, for parking spots and unplugging cars that are charging.

"What's mine is mine, what is yours we will share." Doesn't that attitude bother you?

Or think about this. You arrive late at night at a hotel in a non-Tesla electric, and there are two charging stations. A J1772 with a Tesla charging, and a Tesla only station that is vacant.
Happened to us last year at predator ridge.

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There may be more than meets the eye in many of these cases.

I've seen this scenario several times before, but in 2 cases saw it play out from the beginning, and there was no foul play. A Tesla arrived and plugged into a J-1772 when other nearby charging stations were already occupied.

For someone arriving later when other charing parties had already departed, seeing the Tesla charging on a J-1772 and a Tesla destination charger open would convey an inaccurate picture of what transpired.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:58 am
by SageBrush
iPlug wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:44 am
For someone arriving later when other charing parties had already departed, seeing the Tesla charging on a J-1772 and a Tesla destination charger open would convey an inaccurate picture of what transpired.
It almost goes without saying that the Tesla owner had a fair reason to use the J1772 EVSE since it would be more hassle and probably slower than a well functioning, available Tesla EVSE.

WetEV has issues.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:01 am
by WetEV
johnlocke wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:43 pm
WetEV wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:40 pm
Zythryn wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:03 pm


That attitude would bother me, if I saw anyone exhibiting it.
The analogy would be more accurate like this: “what’s mine is mine, what’s public property I can use.”
Both stations are not truly "public" property. The property is owned by the hotel. The power bill is paid by the hotel. You pay the hotel for a room and a charge.

Except you don't get the charge. You are OK with that, right?
Public chargers are just that, PUBLIC! Anyone is free to use them including Tesla owners. Do you think Blink or EVGO cares about who charges what. They just want their money for providing a service. It might be rude for a Tesla owner to use a non Tesla charger IF there is a vacant one nearby. Are you going to blame the Bolt owner for charging for over an hour as well? How about the Lyft driver who charges twice a day because he has a NCTC card and gets the power for free? If Tesla installs chargers for the convenience of their customers, that's a Tesla perk and adds value. Did you ever consider that when the Tesla pulled up the Tesla charger could have been occupied? Did that hotel charge you explicitly for charging or was it a convenience feature? Or do you think that the hotel pool is for your exclusive use too?
"It might be rude for a Tesla owner to use a non Tesla charger IF there is a vacant one nearby." Yea, you noticed.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:19 am
by powersurge
I think that this whole issue of who owns a charger is ridiculous. Most public charging including chargepoint is free. The end result of using chargers that are not locked behind a gate is that people will use them, and by extension, more EVs will be made and bought.

We gain nothing by arguing who owns the land, the equipment, or the electricity.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:31 am
by johnlocke
WetEV wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:01 am
johnlocke wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:43 pm
WetEV wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:40 pm


Both stations are not truly "public" property. The property is owned by the hotel. The power bill is paid by the hotel. You pay the hotel for a room and a charge.

Except you don't get the charge. You are OK with that, right?
Public chargers are just that, PUBLIC! Anyone is free to use them including Tesla owners. Do you think Blink or EVGO cares about who charges what. They just want their money for providing a service. It might be rude for a Tesla owner to use a non Tesla charger IF there is a vacant one nearby. Are you going to blame the Bolt owner for charging for over an hour as well? How about the Lyft driver who charges twice a day because he has a NCTC card and gets the power for free? If Tesla installs chargers for the convenience of their customers, that's a Tesla perk and adds value. Did you ever consider that when the Tesla pulled up the Tesla charger could have been occupied? Did that hotel charge you explicitly for charging or was it a convenience feature? Or do you think that the hotel pool is for your exclusive use too?
"It might be rude for a Tesla owner to use a non Tesla charger IF there is a vacant one nearby." Yea, you noticed.
You are complaining because Tesla owners have more options than you do. Would you still complain if the Tesla charger didn't exist at all? Tesla was the only company with the foresight to set up a charging network. Now Volkswagen is doing it only under duress. Nissan has done little to nothing to add to the network. If the Tesla chargers can output significantly more current then why would a Tesla owner plug into a lower current charger unless the Tesla charger was occupied? You claim that someone disconnected you at public station. You do realize that there is a lock feature on the charge port. It is not unreasonable for someone to disconnect you after your charge session has ended.

Re: Tesla Charging Station Adapter?

Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:31 am
by EVDRIVER
powersurge wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:19 am
I think that this whole issue of who owns a charger is ridiculous. Most public charging including chargepoint is free. .

Huh,

Not in this area it's the opposite and the city of SF changed all city paid parking garages from free to paid charging a while ago.