cwerdna
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Re: Best Way to "Unload" my 2011 Leaf SL

Sun May 19, 2019 6:45 pm

SageBrush wrote:
cwerdna wrote: But yeah, I'm not too upset about the depreciation given what I paid for it.
Did the drop into 11 capacity bar territory make the car impractical for you, or did you decide you want more range than a LEAF provides ?

My LEAF's battery capacity is not much different than your car but I think it will remain useful for us even at 8 bars. Of course it is our second car so it leads a very cosseted existence. Pretty much just errands and runs to the gym.
Not really on the 1st. Yes, on the latter.

My commute's only about 13 miles each way and I have free L2 charging at work and could L1 charge at home, if needed but doing that too much at home == massive increase in electric bills due to Pacific Gouge & Extort. For commuting only, I could be down MANY more capacity bars and be ok.

With Leaf, I tended to use free public L2 charging on Fridays/weekends to get thru the weekend w/o charging at home, but the free public L2 I used now only has 2 handles for public use. The other 6 are for employees of that org now (set to restricted via ChargePoint, previously they had Clipper Creek EVSEs w/Liberty Access keypads and codes). Sometimes, if I was headed home from somewhere, work might be/be sorta be on the way home, so I might stop by there to charge for a bit.

I was keeping my 06 Prius as my "range extender" when my Leaf wasn't charged enough or wouldn't cut it for where I wanted to go. I got suddenly interested in Bolt when I became aware of heavy discounting (I think via FB groups, possibly Leaf ones). I looked at the 3, didn't know when for certain when the Leaf Plus would ship (knowing there's likely be little discounting at the beginning) and knew the Tesla and GM tax credit situation. So, I got w/the Bolt w/the goal of being down to a single EV and no more ICEVs (knowing full well it's not a great road trip vehicle). Prius was sold to my dad. Trying to sell Leaf since I don't really need it.

Now with Bolt on weekends, if I charge to at least 85% at work on Friday, I can easily make it thru the entire weekend w/o any additional charging (public or otherwise) unless I drive somewhere far (not typical). I've yet to charge my Bolt at home once yet. Judging by the Bolts on-board status telling me how far I've driven and how many kWh I've consumed since the last "full" (it's actually triggered when charge level hits the limiter I have set) charge, if I did that w/my 11 bar Leaf, I'd not have enough to make it to work on Monday w/o some extra juice somewhere (e.g. public charging, work, home).

If curious, here are some examples where Bolt was great but w/my '13 Leaf w/no CHAdeMO would've been an issue unless I charged over the weekend:
- Had to meet w/someone in Palo Alto. From home, it's about 30 miles each way, almost all highway. I'd have to fully charge Leaf at home first and when I arrive home, I'd need to charge again to make it thru the weekend and to work on Monday.
- Had to meet w/someone in Burlingame. It's 47 miles one way, almost all highway. That person wanted to meet there and there was no charging nearby. Leaf could make it there but I'd have needed to L2 charge somewhere for awhile to make it home. I'd have taken the Prius instead if I didn't have Bolt.

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

SageBrush
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Re: Best Way to "Unload" my 2011 Leaf SL

Sun May 19, 2019 6:57 pm

^^ I think I follow, thanks.
I translate your story into this:

Hoped for $10k cost to upgrade your EV and save on ongoing ICE ownership costs.
Sounds savvy if I got it right.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

cwerdna
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Re: Best Way to "Unload" my 2011 Leaf SL

Sun May 19, 2019 7:02 pm

^^^
Something like that. I wasn't looking at a specific $ amount. I saw the opportunity to go pure EV w/something that had enough range to be my only car since I rarely go on road trips (last time was in June 2017). And, it was less $ than I expected due $7500 tax credit and heavy Bolt discounting.

My 06 Prius was bought in Jan 2006, so it was 13 years old. I figured I could stop the maintenance, depreciation and insurance costs on extra cars. I wasn't really looking at it from a saving $ overall point of view. It likely doesn't.

And, I could cut down the amount of charging I did away from home on Fridays and weekends.

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

Tsiah
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Re: Best Way to "Unload" my 2011 Leaf SL

Mon May 20, 2019 12:36 am

I know they aren't in production yet, but what about a battery from https://fenix.systems/leafbattery?

SageBrush
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Re: Best Way to "Unload" my 2011 Leaf SL

Mon May 20, 2019 3:52 am

Tsiah wrote:I know they aren't in production yet, but what about a battery from https://fenix.systems/leafbattery?
lol
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

Tsiah
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Re: Best Way to "Unload" my 2011 Leaf SL

Mon May 20, 2019 7:07 am

SageBrush wrote: lol
I guess I've missed something about them. Why is it funny?

Oilpan4
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Re: Best Way to "Unload" my 2011 Leaf SL

Mon May 20, 2019 7:20 am

Its not just production, as far as I know they haven't actually built anything yet.
Not even any experimental versions.
And I thought I saw something saying they were going to launch products in 2020.

They are promising a lot. The same or more capacity, 18650 cells, active thermal management with liquid cooling.
Realistically they should have already built their first prototype by now.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
Chargers: Panasonic brick moded for 240v, duosida 16a 240v and a 10kw setec portable CHAdeMO
Location: 88103

Tsiah
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Re: Best Way to "Unload" my 2011 Leaf SL

Mon May 20, 2019 5:06 pm

Oilpan4 wrote:Its not just production, as far as I know they haven't actually built anything yet.
Not even any experimental versions.
And I thought I saw something saying they were going to launch products in 2020.

They are promising a lot. The same or more capacity, 18650 cells, active thermal management with liquid cooling.
Realistically they should have already built their first prototype by now.
Fair enough.

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