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Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:08 pm
by foobert
Thank you all for the thoughts. I'm off this evening to look at a 2017 SL. 28K miles w/ all the options. Private party, original owner and he's not had the BMS update recall applied to it.

See how it goes...

Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:41 pm
by awhile
johnlocke wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:14 am
Spend the extra money for the 30KWH. The extra 40K in warranty and the additional range are more than worthwhile. If an 8 bar 24 KWH is adequate for you now then a 7 bar (64%) 30KWH would still have 20 KWH left vs 17 KWH for the 24 KWH battery. In addition, if the 30 KWH battery is at less than 100K mi. and less than 8 yrs. old, you get a free battery! A 2015 is out of warranty in just a few months vs 4 more years for the 2016. Anything older than 2015 is already out of warranty, so you should expect a much lower price vs a 2016 30 KWH.
I agree. That reasoning was how I chose my Leaf. Purchased late last year.

One note. My 2016 SV 30kWh Leaf has 9 bar with 20.5 kWh at full charge according to LeafSpy Pro.

2019-08-26 Full charge:
264 GID's
57.8AH
SOH=72.7%
Hx=42.2%
66328 miles
47 QC and 1440 L1/L2 charges.
Capacity at full charge is 20.5 kWh
SOC=97.7% (it doesn't go higher than this at full charge)

Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:56 pm
by johnlocke
awhile wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:41 pm
johnlocke wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:14 am
Spend the extra money for the 30KWH. The extra 40K in warranty and the additional range are more than worthwhile. If an 8 bar 24 KWH is adequate for you now then a 7 bar (64%) 30KWH would still have 20 KWH left vs 17 KWH for the 24 KWH battery. In addition, if the 30 KWH battery is at less than 100K mi. and less than 8 yrs. old, you get a free battery! A 2015 is out of warranty in just a few months vs 4 more years for the 2016. Anything older than 2015 is already out of warranty, so you should expect a much lower price vs a 2016 30 KWH.
I agree. That reasoning was how I chose my Leaf. Purchased late last year.

One note. My 2016 SV 30kWh Leaf has 9 bar with 20.5 kWh at full charge according to LeafSpy Pro.

2019-08-26 Full charge:
264 GID's
57.8AH
SOH=72.7%
Hx=42.2%
66328 miles
47 QC and 1440 L1/L2 charges.
Capacity at full charge is 20.5 kWh
SOC=97.7% (it doesn't go higher than this at full charge)
Looks like your battery will hit 8 bars by 80000 miles and you'll get a new battery. I can't see that battery making it to 100000 miles in any case. Then you'll get another 80K or more from the new battery. That is just about the best case scenario for a 2016 Leaf.

Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:45 pm
by SageBrush
johnlocke wrote:
Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:56 pm
Looks like your battery will hit 8 bars by 80000 miles and you'll get a new battery. I can't see that battery making it to 100000 miles in any case. Then you'll get another 80K or more from the new battery. That is just about the best case scenario for a 2016 Leaf.
Presuming that a software update does not change the trajectory, I also think this is a wise way to go with LEAF

Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:35 am
by HornsKeith
johnlocke wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:14 am
Spend the extra money for the 30KWH.
If you can save a few thousand dollars on a nice condition 2015 Lizard, I'd probably go that route since you don't really need the range. The Lizard is so stable compared to unknown quantities like the 30 kW-hr batteries, you can at least rely on known degradation that should serve you well for a long while. We've been happy with ours.

Keith

Re: Considering a used leaf -- 2015 lizard, or 2016+ 30kWH?

Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:13 am
by LeftieBiker
HornsKeith wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:35 am
johnlocke wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:14 am
Spend the extra money for the 30KWH.
If you can save a few thousand dollars on a nice condition 2015 Lizard, I'd probably go that route since you don't really need the range. The Lizard is so stable compared to unknown quantities like the 30 kW-hr batteries, you can at least rely on known degradation that should serve you well for a long while. We've been happy with ours.

Keith
I agree.