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Re: How much of a Discount Should I be Able to Get on an Ordered Leaf?

Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:57 pm
by DougWantsALeaf
Those Bolt prices looked really good. Like the Leaf, the bolt when driven carefully can well outperform the EPA range.

While this is going to cause a stir, I don’t see as many Tesla drivers claiming to achieve real world ranges much above the EPA for those cars. Usually 10-20% less. EPA is doable, I think it’s just hard to drive a Tesla that slow. Too much fun to push it harder.

Re: How much of a Discount Should I be Able to Get on an Ordered Leaf?

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:45 am
by SageBrush
cwerdna wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:15 pm
Bolt doesn't have certain features at all like adaptive cruise control, ProPilot equivalent nor nav system. You either use CarPlay, Android Auto or you can get some turn-by-turn directions via OnStar (have to pay for subscription for that. I use Waze, Google Maps and Apple Maps via CarPlay.
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Nav via the phone is a pretty good solution ... until you try Tesla nav. Then the integration and screen size really stands out as superior.

Re: How much of a Discount Should I be Able to Get on an Ordered Leaf?

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:48 am
by DougWantsALeaf
The full color sat Nav does look very cool in the 3. You have to get the long range version to get it though I believe...it is tempting with a range boost to the Plus as well.

Re: How much of a Discount Should I be Able to Get on an Ordered Leaf?

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 8:29 am
by SageBrush
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:48 am
The full color sat Nav does look very cool in the 3. You have to get the long range version to get it though I believe...it is tempting with a range boost to the Plus as well.
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I'm not sure what 'full color' means. The more expensive Tesla models also show real-time traffic

Re: How much of a Discount Should I be Able to Get on an Ordered Leaf?

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:01 pm
by cwerdna
SageBrush wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:45 am
cwerdna wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:15 pm
Bolt doesn't have certain features at all like adaptive cruise control, ProPilot equivalent nor nav system. You either use CarPlay, Android Auto or you can get some turn-by-turn directions via OnStar (have to pay for subscription for that. I use Waze, Google Maps and Apple Maps via CarPlay.
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Nav via the phone is a pretty good solution ... until you try Tesla nav. Then the integration and screen size really stands out as superior.
With CarPlay esp. with a large LCD like in a Bolt, you do have a fair amount of overall screen real estate and not everything is crammed into the LCD centered between the two front seats.

I uploaded this pic to another forum in a CarPlay thread: https://imgur.com/a/pWKbM2u. The large LCD on the Bolt is 10.2" diagonal. The one in front of the driver w/the speedometer, battery bars and regen/power indicator + some indicators is supposedly 8" diagonal. When using CarPlay to navigate, it seems like all 3 mapping apps I use (Apple Maps, Waze and Google Maps) put the immediate directions in the upper left of the car's LCD and the rest on the phone. My iPhone 8's got a 4.7" diagonal screen.

Re: How much of a Discount Should I be Able to Get on an Ordered Leaf?

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:11 am
by SageBrush
cwerdna wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:01 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 6:45 am
cwerdna wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:15 pm
Bolt doesn't have certain features at all like adaptive cruise control, ProPilot equivalent nor nav system. You either use CarPlay, Android Auto or you can get some turn-by-turn directions via OnStar (have to pay for subscription for that. I use Waze, Google Maps and Apple Maps via CarPlay.
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Nav via the phone is a pretty good solution ... until you try Tesla nav. Then the integration and screen size really stands out as superior.
With CarPlay esp. with a large LCD like in a Bolt, you do have a fair amount of overall screen real estate and not everything is crammed into the LCD centered between the two front seats.

I uploaded this pic to another forum in a CarPlay thread: https://imgur.com/a/pWKbM2u. The large LCD on the Bolt is 10.2" diagonal. The one in front of the driver w/the speedometer, battery bars and regen/power indicator + some indicators is supposedly 8" diagonal. When using CarPlay to navigate, it seems like all 3 mapping apps I use (Apple Maps, Waze and Google Maps) put the immediate directions in the upper left of the car's LCD and the rest on the phone. My iPhone 8's got a 4.7" diagonal screen.
As I said, you have to experience Tesla to realize just how inferior the other solutions are. I think the headline attributes are a huge screen, very precise GPS, smart orientation, *very* clear display of maps in different perspectives, and dynamic map views as you drive. The latter means that the map zooms in when turns approach. I don't think any of these features are unique to Tesla but their integration together is.

Re: How much of a Discount Should I be Able to Get on an Ordered Leaf?

Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:42 pm
by countryleaf
Well, we found a 2019 Scarlet Ember Tintcoat SL Plus at the Campbell Nissan dealer in Everett (WA). They discounted much more than the other dealer we were working with. So we got the car for right about $40K. Then add the $7,500 Federal Tax credit and the $2,250 for Sales Tax credit and the car is a pretty good price (in my opinion). Since we do not pay $7,500 Income Tax on my retirement income, the dealer told us to lease the cat for a month and "flip it" to a purchase before the end of the first month. That gained us at least $2K and we get the $7,500 off the top (instead of waiting to file income tax). I would highly recommend this dealer. The guy we dealt with was very knowledgeable on Leaf's and all rebate/credit options. He is the number one Nissan EV Salesman in the world for 2018, 2016, and 2013(!!). We picked the car up yesterday and are loving it!

Re: How much of a Discount Should I be Able to Get on an Ordered Leaf?

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:02 pm
by HerdingElectrons
Congrats! I'm happy for you!

Re: How much of a Discount Should I be Able to Get on an Ordered Leaf?

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:34 pm
by Flyct
countryleaf wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:42 pm
Well, we found a 2019 Scarlet Ember Tintcoat SL Plus at the Campbell Nissan dealer in Everett (WA). They discounted much more than the other dealer we were working with. So we got the car for right about $40K. Then add the $7,500 Federal Tax credit and the $2,250 for Sales Tax credit and the car is a pretty good price (in my opinion). Since we do not pay $7,500 Income Tax on my retirement income, the dealer told us to lease the cat for a month and "flip it" to a purchase before the end of the first month. That gained us at least $2K and we get the $7,500 off the top (instead of waiting to file income tax). I would highly recommend this dealer. The guy we dealt with was very knowledgeable on Leaf's and all rebate/credit options. He is the number one Nissan EV Salesman in the world for 2018, 2016, and 2013(!!). We picked the car up yesterday and are loving it!
Great creative way to get most of the $7,500 tax credit if you have limited income that limits tax liability.

The only additional hit you will have is the $650 NMAC lease acquisition fee they charge.

Re: How much of a Discount Should I be Able to Get on an Ordered Leaf?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:33 pm
by Baltneu
For the people who think they bought at invoice or below invoice, think again. What a dealer pays for a car is very convoluted. When they accept harder to sell cars, they get all sorts of incentives off the invoice. I remember a dealer showing me a piece of paper showing me his invoice, what a bunch of BS or telling me they want to sell the car below what they paid for it (invoice). Sure, this is the dealer than sells cars below cost and makes no profit and still stays in business.