tcherniaev
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Nissan dealer tells me to buy Tesla

Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:02 am

I've been a very long time supporter of Nissan LEAF. In short, I owned two 2011, 2013, 2015, and currently own two 2018 LEAFs. I recently went in to see if the dealer can solve the problem with a very slow charging on CHAdeMO on one of my LEAFs. Basically, it never goes over 24 kW no matter the temperature or the SOC.

After a couple of rounds of discussions with the dealer reps, where they would lie, tell me all kinds of nonsense, and so on, I was getting really frustrated. Just to give you an example of one of the things they told me: "After charging up to about 30%, the battery gets really hot, so the car stops charging and waits for the battery to cool down before it can charge any more", and I have several similar statements form them. So after they told me that the charger I am using is probably limited to whatever max rate I am getting and I responded that my Tesla gets full 47 kW from that same charger (I have a CHAdeMO adapter for my Tesla), they told me that I should go and buy a Tesla. No kidding.

So I called Nissan's 800 number, but got nowhere. So I guess they are correct in that I should buy another Tesla. At least their staff knows the difference between kW and kWh. It is really sad for me though. I do love my Tesla, but I also have a long history with LEAFs, and I loved my LEAFs. But I just don't see any future for Nissan, and that truly makes me sad.

cwerdna
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Re: Nissan dealer tells me to buy Tesla

Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:17 am

The wouldn't install the "rapidgate" fix or you already had it applied?

If you'd bought a Bolt, you can get full DC FCing speeds due to thermal management until it starts throttling down at around 50 to 55% or so. You can run it down, rinse and repeat.

I've used the exact unit (#41) at the location at https://electricrevs.com/2018/07/17/wat ... -to-55-kw/ numerous times and seen 54 to 55 kW until I was above the point where it throttles. Besides Teslas, other thermally management BEVs have batteries that don't overheat.

Too bad Bolt's price advantage is withering away with tax credit on GM EVs/PHEVs being $1875 now, just like Tesla...

'19 Bolt Premier
'13 Leaf SV w/premium package (owned)
'13 Leaf SV w/QC + LED & premium packages (lease over, car returned)

Please don't PM me with Leaf questions. Just post in the topic that seems most appropriate.

BrianMoser
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Re: Nissan dealer tells me to buy Tesla

Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:55 pm

I knew many people who could afford a Tesla S but didn’t want to spend that much on a car and leased a leaf as a commuter as well.

Now with the 3 priced so low, this is no longer true. Not sure who the leaf is for anymore.
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TomT
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Re: Nissan dealer tells me to buy Tesla

Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:18 pm

Me neither. That is why I went with the Tesla... And I still refuse to buy any EV without a proper TMS.
BrianMoser wrote:
Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:55 pm
Now with the 3 priced so low, this is no longer true. Not sure who the leaf is for anymore.
Leaf SL 2011 to 2016, Volt Premier 2016 to 2019, and now:
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Re: Nissan dealer tells me to buy Tesla

Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:57 pm

Now with the 3 priced so low, this is no longer true. Not sure who the leaf is for anymore.

Those for whom comfort and ease of access are more important than performance.
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Re: Nissan dealer tells me to buy Tesla

Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:05 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:57 pm
Now with the 3 priced so low, this is no longer true. Not sure who the leaf is for anymore.

Those for whom comfort and ease of access are more important than performance.
I find my Tesla Model 3 to be extremely comfortable and no problem at all to enter and exit.
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Re: Nissan dealer tells me to buy Tesla

Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:16 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:05 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:57 pm
Now with the 3 priced so low, this is no longer true. Not sure who the leaf is for anymore.

Those for whom comfort and ease of access are more important than performance.
I find my Tesla Model 3 to be extremely comfortable and no problem at all to enter and exit.

There are those who say the same about their sport bikes, Miatas and F-1 race cars as well. I'm not saying that no one is comfortable in a Model 3. I'm saying that those who actually find ease of access and comfort while driving to be important are more likely to find a Leaf accommodating of their needs. This has been confirmed numerous times here, by people who have driven both.
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webeleafowners
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Re: Nissan dealer tells me to buy Tesla

Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:02 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:05 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:57 pm
Now with the 3 priced so low, this is no longer true. Not sure who the leaf is for anymore.

Those for whom comfort and ease of access are more important than performance.
I find my Tesla Model 3 to be extremely comfortable and no problem at all to enter and exit.
I think this is more of a personal thing. My neighbour loves his model 3 and has no problem with ingress and egress. To some degree it depends on height, physical condition etc. For us (mid to late fifties) the Leaf is a lot easier for us. Comfort is relative although the leaf is a lot quieter than the model 3. The Eplus is even quieter. He always has his tunes cranked so he doesn’t care. I’m always listening to podcasts in Arabic and need all the help I can get. Lol.

The model 3 is a great car but it is missing a few features (that the leaf has) that probably should be on a car of that caliber. Better looking car though. Love the lines of all the Tesla’s.
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Re: Nissan dealer tells me to buy Tesla

Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:53 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:16 pm
I'm saying that those who actually find ease of access and comfort while driving to be important are more likely to find a Leaf accommodating of their needs.
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I disagree.
@webleafowners is right -- no preconceptions required or advised.
As for noise -- I very much appreciate quiet cars and I love the quiet of my Tesla. This is also a YMMV, and it depends on lot on local roads and tyre choice.
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Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
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Re: Nissan dealer tells me to buy Tesla

Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:03 pm

It's not a matter of preconceptions to say that a car with a higher roof and ground clearance and more upright seating position with less aggressive bolsters and more seat/steering wheel clearance is easier for people who have limited flexibility/strength to get into/out of, than one that requires them to lower themselves into/hoist themselves out of it. Tesla's "Easy Entry" mode can help with the clearance issues but not the height one; the fact that such a mode is provided is an indication that it's an issue.

Whether or not an individual fits into that category is specific to them, not a general conclusion.
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