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Re: POLL: Would you pay $17k to install a 70 kWh active-cooled battery in your 2010-2017 LEAF?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:28 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:06 pm
OP: what is your connection to Fenix ?
I've interviewed Fenix over phone/email but am not an employee/investor or customer of any kind - this is more of an academic project for me. No personal connection beyond that. Thanks for checking!

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Re: POLL: Would you pay $17k to install a 70 kWh active-cooled battery in your 2010-2017 LEAF?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:16 pm

PrairieLEAF wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:21 pm
Blame the EPA! My understanding is that they docked the official range estimate of the 2011/2012 LEAF due to it having the 80% charge feature, so Nissan removed it.
Do what Tesla does. Let the user set a charge limit to any percentage. The EPA hasn't docked them...
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Re: POLL: Would you pay $17k to install a 70 kWh active-cooled battery in your 2010-2017 LEAF?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:39 pm

Lothsahn wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:16 pm
PrairieLEAF wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:21 pm
Blame the EPA! My understanding is that they docked the official range estimate of the 2011/2012 LEAF due to it having the 80% charge feature, so Nissan removed it.
Do what Tesla does. Let the user set a charge limit to any percentage. The EPA hasn't docked them...
Exactly

So either nissan is too stupid to figure that out or they didnt want you to have that feature.
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Re: POLL: Would you pay $17k to install a 70 kWh active-cooled battery in your 2010-2017 LEAF?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:43 pm

danrjones wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:39 pm
Lothsahn wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:16 pm
PrairieLEAF wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:21 pm
Blame the EPA! My understanding is that they docked the official range estimate of the 2011/2012 LEAF due to it having the 80% charge feature, so Nissan removed it.
Do what Tesla does. Let the user set a charge limit to any percentage. The EPA hasn't docked them...
Exactly
So either nissan is too stupid to figure that out or they didnt want you to have that feature.
Those are the only two possibilities ? LOL

I've always guessed that Nissan has negligible resources dedicated to LEAF and those involved have more pressing concerns.
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Re: POLL: Would you pay $17k to install a 70 kWh active-cooled battery in your 2010-2017 LEAF?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:21 pm

danrjones wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:39 pm
Lothsahn wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:16 pm
PrairieLEAF wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:21 pm
Blame the EPA! My understanding is that they docked the official range estimate of the 2011/2012 LEAF due to it having the 80% charge feature, so Nissan removed it.
Do what Tesla does. Let the user set a charge limit to any percentage. The EPA hasn't docked them...
Exactly

So either nissan is too stupid to figure that out or they didnt want you to have that feature.
The way Nissan worded the owner information made 100% charging seem to be an extraordinary event tantamount to deliberate abuse, which I think is why EPA decided to dock them. Imho, if you tell owners they really must charge to 80% to avoid crippling their car, then the "real" range has to take that into account.
Then the whole battery mess blew up and my impression is that they simply canned the whole partial charge concept to get rid of any allusion to battery weaknesses. I don't imagine that it was a binary choice forced upon them by EPA. Clearly, other automakers have partial charging features. If this were actually a result of selective EPA enforcement, Nissan would have a clear case to overturn it.
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Re: POLL: Would you pay $17k to install a 70 kWh active-cooled battery in your 2010-2017 LEAF?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:34 pm

I agree.
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Re: POLL: Would you pay $17k to install a 70 kWh active-cooled battery in your 2010-2017 LEAF?

Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:41 am

I guess I just really like blaming the EPA. :D
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Re: POLL: Would you pay $17k to install a 70 kWh active-cooled battery in your 2010-2017 LEAF?

Wed Oct 30, 2019 12:11 pm

@OP: No.
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Re: POLL: Would you pay $17k to install a 70 kWh active-cooled battery in your 2010-2017 LEAF?

Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:18 pm

golfcart wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:00 am
WetEV wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:40 am
johnlocke wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:47 pm
You mean a 20KWH Leaf with 50-60 mile range in good weather? I don't know about you but I find that unacceptable.
With a 20 mile commute, this would be very acceptable. National median commute is just under 20 miles round trip.
For the right person I agree 100% because how much range one needs is entirely unique to their circumstances. If you have a 150 mile daily commute then you need 250+ miles of range to make sure you can still make that commute in winter 10 years from now but if you only have a 10 mile commute and you're in a two car household (where the leaf is a grocery-getter and commuter) then 60 miles of range is great. That's why I don't get what these other posters mean by "range is a strawman argument"...
You make the point for me. Most people bought their Leaf as a commuter car. They don't drive more than 30 mi/day and usually have access to a ICE for longer trips. Range on a single charge is irrelevant. What does matter is how long the battery lasts in typical use. That includes charging it to 100% because Nissan doesn't have a option to charge it to a lower value. If you live in the right climate, that 30KWH battery will last a long time and if you only need to drive it 20 miles a day, it might last the life of the car. If you have a 55 mi commute like I do and need A/C in the Summer and Heat in the Winter, then the 30KWH doesn't look too good. The truth of the matter is that unless you're a mechanic and can buy a salvaged battery and intstall it yourself, it probably makes more sense to buy a newer lightly used Leaf instead. It's hard to make the case for buying a replacement battery for $8K for an older Leaf let alone $17K.
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Re: POLL: Would you pay $17k to install a 70 kWh active-cooled battery in your 2010-2017 LEAF?

Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:47 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:56 pm
Oilpan4 wrote:
Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:21 pm

The highest voltage I have seen on my home chademo is 400v.
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And the Amps were ?
It's limited to 20 amps.
High 390s and 400 is usually where it starts to taper depending on temperature.
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