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'17 to '19 Bolt are 60 kWh. '20 will be 66 kWh.coleafrado said:As a basic point of reference, here are some typical prices and nominal capacities for new and used EVs available in real quantities today. Whether it is relevant or meaningful to compare these is up to you.
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2019 Chevrolet Bolt (65 kWh?): $38,000
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2017 Chevrolet Bolt (60 kWh): $22,000 used
Most people, from what I've seen on this forum, would rather pay a bit more to get the most range possible - and those are the consumers a company in this segment has to target starting out.
johnlocke said:$17K is a whopping down payment on a used Tesla or almost full boat on a used Bolt. By the time you get to market, used Model 3's are going to start showing up. A 3 year old model 3 might go for $25K at a guess.
As a point of reference - the 9-bar 2012 I'm using cost $5k. I've seen equivalent cars in much the same condition sell for as little as $3-4k.johnlocke said:It might be a deal if you could find an old Leaf for $3-5K and replace the battery.
johnlocke said:Value with a new battery might jump from $10K to $17K but you are never going to recover the cost. $17K is a whopping down payment on a used Tesla or almost full boat on a used Bolt.
powersurge said:That is a tough question... Although I love my Leaf, I would never just "pull out" my good battery in order to do an upgrade. I think most people would only replace their battery when the original is toast. BUT at that point, the car would be older, and as someone else stated, other systems would be in danger of failing, plus the car's value would be very low. Like renovating a $100K house with $500K worth of upgrades.
powersurge said:I think the sweet spot on Leaf replacement batteries is to keep them at the 20-30 KWH range, and offer replacements for $3-5,000. Anyone that wants a 60-70 KWH battery and high range will wait until they can buy a new car that has that.
I think the real battery replacement market is to keep all of the existing Leafs alive and working. Although today, the push is to increase EV range to the 300 mile level, I think that most current Leaf owners are happy with the Gen 1 size battery. The real issue is to keep that car rolling as long as possible with a modestly priced "original size" battery. I could easily see myself being happy to drive my Leaf 200,000 miles on a 24 KWH battery. If the replacement price of the battery was in the sub $6000 range.
coleafrado said:Even a liquid-cooled 24 kWh pack would have dropped below 75% capacity at that point. A smaller replacement pack saves you cash in the short term, but you pay more long-term in the form of accelerated wear and reduced usability. Most people with 24-30 kWh Leaf also own an ICE for longer trips; fueling, insuring, and maintaining that extra vehicle usually costs at least $10k over a ten-year span.
cwerdna said:No.
'17 to '19 Bolt are 60 kWh. '20 will be 66 kWh.coleafrado said:As a basic point of reference, here are some typical prices and nominal capacities for new and used EVs available in real quantities today. Whether it is relevant or meaningful to compare these is up to you.
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2019 Chevrolet Bolt (65 kWh?): $38,000
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2017 Chevrolet Bolt (60 kWh): $22,000 used
Here are some current prices from the dealer I bought my Bolt from: https://www.chevroletoffremont.com/VehicleSearchResults?search=new&make=Chevrolet&model=Bolt%20EV&sort=salePrice%7Casc. These actually aren't great deals given that the GM EV/PHEV tax credit is now only $1875. Earlier this year, this same dealer was openly advertising a base LT MSRP of $37,495 for $25,495. This was before $3750 Federal tax credit and $2500 CVRP (https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/eligible-vehicles, if you qualify. I don't.) and before any utility rebates ($800 for me:https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/solar-and-vehicles/options/clean-vehicles/electric/clean-fuel-rebate-for-electric-vehicles.page).
For future reference, they currently have an MSRP $38,655 LT for $31,032 and an MSRP $42,760 Premier for $32,917 + 24 other Bolts.
The most expensive one I see is a Premier (higher trim of the two that exist) MSRP $44,130 for $34,170. It has DC FC inlet, $395 extra for the red color, infotainment package and driver confidence II. This is identical to mine except mine isn't red and thus doesn't have any extra charge for paint color. This is about as fully loaded as you can get short of crap like all weather floor mats, cargo organizer or black bowtie logos.
Used '17 Bolts are less than $22K now. I'd imagine the prices will come down when the '17s come off their 3 year leases and their CA HOV stickers expire. Bolt began shipping in mid-Dec 2016.
Are you sure the 2020 Eplus will have a 66 KWH battery, meaning 4 kWh bigger than the existing 62 kWh for the 2019. This is the first I have heard of this.
'17 to '19 Bolt are 60 kWh. '20 will be 66 kWh.
LeftieBiker said:Are you sure the 2020 Eplus will have a 66 KWH battery, meaning 4 kWh bigger than the existing 62 kWh for the 2019. This is the first I have heard of this.
Nope. That's the Bolt.
'17 to '19 Bolt are 60 kWh. '20 will be 66 kWh.
Correct!LeftieBiker said:Are you sure the 2020 Eplus will have a 66 KWH battery, meaning 4 kWh bigger than the existing 62 kWh for the 2019. This is the first I have heard of this.
Nope. That's the Bolt.
'17 to '19 Bolt are 60 kWh. '20 will be 66 kWh.
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