IAMTHESTIG
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Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:32 pm

Been thinking of getting an EV for quite some time now... only have a 30 mile daily commute five days a week. Do a lot of quick runs to the store too which is about a mile from my house. The wife and I have a '12 Mazda 3 and its paid for and we only spend about $120 a month in fuel. Unfortunately I can't afford to buy any even relatively cheap car without a loan so I figured an EV will give me back some of the money going into the loan.

I've already done all the math and it is a lot cheaper to run a Leaf, assuming I don't have to try and buy a new battery pack before the end of my planned six-year loan. In the eight years I calculated running costs of our Mazda 3 with 66K miles the cost of a Leaf with an $8500 battery is still cheaper. Though after researching i'm worried Nissan won't have any or they will cost some even more ridiculous amount. I certainly don't want to be buying a battery before my damn loan is even paid off.

The Leaf i'm looking at is a 2014 SL from looks like Freemont Callifornia. Doesn't look like it gets much above 80 degrees F there very often so I'm hoping its got a decent battery. I haven't gone to look at the car yet but the dealership I'm working with found this for me and bought it. I've only got a few crappy pictures but it looks like it has 11 or 12 capacity bars. I'm going to see it this weekend and will probably plug in a code reader to run Leaf Spy on it.

Unfortunately it doesn't come with any sort of warranty so that is a big worry for me. There is a '16 Leaf S for sale locally that is Nissan Certified and would still have at minimum four years warranty left but I really want the features in the SL.

So i'm torn... not even sure it is worth the journey considering i'll be on a loan. Maybe if I could buy it outright that would be a different store. Either way though as it stands i'll have to do loan so even if I get a $5000 Honda Accord or some other decent gas mileage car i'll still be paying way more for gas and maintenance than electricity and a battery. But I don't feel good about getting a car knowing i'll likely have to dump the thing in less than 8 years. And since it really seems like Nissan doesn't give a flying rats bum about doing the right thing, why should I do it? Other than enjoying the pleasantries of driving an EV.

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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:38 pm

Can you post a link to a listing? We may be able to find out more about the car than you'd think.


And as an alternative, one of our regulars here is selling a '13 SV with Premium Package (no quick charge) that has a solid 11 bars and is a bit more than half the price of that SL. He has had, AFAIK, no trouble with the car - he bought a Bolt. I think the mileage is about the same.
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:24 pm

IAMTHESTIG wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:32 pm
The Leaf i'm looking at is a 2014 SL from looks like Freemont Callifornia. Doesn't look like it gets much above 80 degrees F there very often so I'm hoping its got a decent battery.
It was close to 94 degrees in Fremont last time I was there (around September). There's no way that car is worth over $8k.

Even if it's worth $8k - you could take a $10 Uber ride to the grocery store and back 799 times and you'll still come out on top (not to mention lost interest). This is ignoring electricity costs, tires, insurance, maintenance, new batteries, the list goes on.

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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:22 am

Second Leftie,or find one from a private seller with a replacement pack, for less than 11.5 K. Where in CA. are you?

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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:43 am

I think the OP is in terrible financial shape and should be working to increase income. It makes NO sense to buy an EV, take out a loan, and hope that the gasoline savings will save some money so he is able to pay the loan.

Keep the ICE and find some additional income. The price of gas for the ICE is a small, weekly cost compared to your possible complicated pickle that you can get into...
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:03 am

The tone of these replies is bringing me down!

I love owning and driving a used LEAF, and completely relate with your EV excitement, but agree with your concern about financing one.

You might consider other used EVs with active battery cooling. I was crushing on the Fiat 500e and Chevy Spark EV when I was shopping. They have pretty good used availability here in Colorado, even though they weren't available here, new. They are supposed to be incredibly fun to drive, and the 500e is pure eye-candy from any angle!

I went with a 30 kWh LEAF for practical reasons: I live rurally and wanted the extra range, the LEAF with quick-charge has better charging versatility (500e has no QC and Spark EV has 3.3 kW level 2), and you can rotate the tires on the LEAF and fit a spare tire on the trunk floor with the back seats up. I am very happy with my choice, but my heart pangs just a bit when I see a 500e or Spark EV.
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Wed Oct 30, 2019 11:47 am

OP: No, I say keep looking, you can find a much better deal. I bought my 2014 S two years ago for $7500 from a private party in LA. Still love it, and I also love that I can sell it for more than that right now!
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:14 pm

Wow thanks for all the responses I wasn't expecting this much! So I didn't really give much background here but basically my wife and I both work at the same place with the same hours, so we travel together most of the time. Occasionally though we need to each drive our own vehicle because of offsite meetings, or various errands. I own a '91 F150 which I take when I need to but we also now have a baby, and a car seat in a single cab '91 F150 with manual transmission doesn't work. So we have to get another car.

I've tossed around the idea of a $3-5K basic commuter car but after factoring in occasional gas and maintenance for it I found it would be cheaper for us to get a Leaf and daily drive that and use the Mazda as a secondary vehicle. Plus i'm a techie geek, I love to drive, and I really like the advantages of an EV. We only take the back roads to/from work which are 35-50 mph speed zones.

On days where we are both going on the errand we'll just take the Mazda to avoid extreme planning and range anxiety. We'll also just take the Mazda on snowy days, or days when it is really hot. Our summers usually stay in the 90's for a couple months and even get over a 100 sometimes. The Leaf wouldn't be driven on these days unless we had to take our own vehicles.

Alright onto some direct responses.

@LeftieBiker
No unfortunately the car was at a dealer auction that my dealer picked up. I had asked them to find me one so they did as requested and we're gonna test drive and charge it this weekend. I'll find out if I need to install a 240V L2 or not because i'm going to test our daily routine.

@coleafrado
Uber is not practical for my situation... thanks for the thought though.

@ dcdisc
We live in southern Idaho, my dealer bought the Leaf and is having it shipped here. If we don't like it and don't buy it they will just find someone else to buy it.

@ powersurge
Not that my financial situation is anyone's business but I appreciate your looking out for me. I agree this isn't ideal but I have no other debts except our house.

@ PrairieLEAF
thanks for the ideas... I've been researching EV's for several months now and considering my family size, finances, etc. The Leaf is a good fit. Though I did originally want to get a Mercedes B250e my dealer was selling, it was a decent deal and the B250e has a TESLA drivetrain and batteries, of course with active heating and cooling. I quite liked it and it was a larger crossover size vehicle but unfortunately my wife hates the car with a passion and refuses to get it, even though it fits out lifestyle better and has better chances of avoiding battery issues. AND it still has 3.5 years of battery warranty left, I called the Merc dealer and had them check the VIN. A real shame my wife doesn't like it because that would have been ideal.

@ erco
Thanks for the advice. I don't know what the actual price will be my dealer will ask but I will take into account current market values - assuming we even like it.

Honestly unless it has less than 11 bars, is in not great condition, or something in Leaf Spy app scares me we'll heavily consider buying it and hopefully for a good price. If we can't work out a good deal then it wasn't meant to be and we'll move on.

Thanks everyone for the ideas and thoughts, I hope for more... We'll see what happens.

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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:54 pm

To the OP: This 12 bar 2015 SV would be a better deal:

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sal ... =531319176

I used the original sales sticker trick on that one, it was first sold at Nissan of the Eastside, in Bellevue, WA and includes the LED + charge package. A PNW LEAF is ideal, as the moderate climate is much easier on the battery pack.

You haven't mentioned exactly where you are located, but if you can get a car shipped to you for a reasonable fee then it might be worth it. I highly doubt you'll find a 2015 LEAF SV in California that still has 12 bars at that price.
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:46 am

The OP has a Mazda3... A great car. A good gas miileage, low operating cost car. "Financially", the best thing is to drive the hell out of it until either the engine or transmission craps out.

What I hear here is what I seem see so often in "soon to be a buyer" posts.. There are a ton of them. Those people present a lifestyle situation (car driving needs) and propose their need for a Leaf.

However, either the use need or the model of car may not be a good match for them. They however, are driven to continue the purchase of the Leaf. Why? I think some people are "hot" or "excited" by the idea of having an electric car. They have an idealized sense of either owning the new technology, getting a piece of the high social status, $$ savings, or just coolness factor of the EV, and continue with their quest...

Well, you are your own boss. You do not need my or other's opinion. Good luck, and welcome to the EV community.,..

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