SageBrush
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:00 am

^^ Agree. Reset cannot be excluded but it seems very unlikely.

$11.5 is outrageous though. This is a 60-70 mile range car in good weather and a 40 mile range car in winter. Maybe $7k
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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IAMTHESTIG
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:06 am

Thanks for the responses... I take it a reset wouldn't reset the QC's and L1/L2 charges? I don't know why it wouldn't, if say for instance a new battery pack was indeed installed. Why would you still want to see charges done on the old pack combined with the new one?

Would it be worthwhile to buy LeafSpy Pro right now? Would I gain anything useful in terms of diagnostics?

My wife and I will take the car to work today and see how it does with our daily routine. I wasn't sure if it was going to be charged enough but I was pleasantly surprised when I checked it this morning... expecting to come out and see a dismal SOC and sub 50 mile range on the GOM. But no, it charged from 32% to 82% in 11.5 hours on my 120V outlet and is guessing 68 miles - so that is perfectly acceptable for our use. Looks like I don't have to install a 240V 50A outlet, but I might anyway for peace of mind to get a quick charge when I need it.

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If everything checks out and we like the car then i'll have to try and get a good deal. I know everyone is all about these low prices but something is only worth what you are willing to pay for it. I think 9K is a good price (for a dealer), but i'll agree 11.5 is too much. That was their initial 'estimate' based on not even having seen the car - so we'll see what they want for it soon. Comparing prices to other Leaf's for sale within 500 miles that have similar aspects to this car, I think 8.5 to 10.5K is respectable to me. In the end what matters is that i'm happy with the deal and that it will be saving us gas money. So, wish me luck....

SageBrush
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:14 am

Tell your dealership that Cwerdna is selling his car for ~ $6k. Let them match it or walk away and save thousands.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

LeftieBiker
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:10 pm

Sagebrush has a good idea. Don't expect them to match the price, but $9k would definitely beat $11.5k.
But no, it charged from 32% to 82% in 11.5 hours on my 120V outlet and is guessing 68 miles - so that is perfectly acceptable for our use.
The actual range of a good 11 bar Leaf with heat pump is about 60-65 miles in optimal conditions, and maybe 35-40 miles in frigid weather. If you drive fast as a rule, subtract 25% from those.
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IAMTHESTIG
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:51 pm

So it’s after lunch now and I’ve used 30% of the 79% I started with. We used the heater as desired. It was about 33F this morning. I didn’t use the heat at all going to get lunch. That should set me at an estimated 25-28% charge when we get home. The drive is pretty much flat the whole way except a little hill near work. I do tend to drive fast.

So, our winters usually are in the 20F range in the mornings and 30s in the afternoons. Doesn’t usually get much colder than that. Think I’ll be good or is there a lot more energy usage in my future?

The front tires are a little low on air in fact the warning light is on, I’m sure it’ll do better with properly inflated tires.

I kinda feel if it is this close now, how is this thing going to do five years from now with around 75K miles on it? Maybe this just isn’t going to cut it?

Thoughts?

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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:49 pm

So, our winters usually are in the 20F range in the mornings and 30s in the afternoons. Doesn’t usually get much colder than that. Think I’ll be good or is there a lot more energy usage in my future?
You'll be using mainly resistance heat in the morning, and mainly heat pump heat in the afternoon, with some resistance as well. It looks to me like you're ok for now, but after losing just one more bar it will get tight. I suggest you look for a good 12 bar Leaf, with heat pump. You can get better bargains by looking at SVs, as SLs tend to get a price bump that isn't proportionate to any added utility. You can get an SV with Premium Package that will have pretty much the same options as the SL, except no leather. Also note that in 2013 especially, you can find SLs with no Premium, and not even a backup camera. Those are to avoided. You want at least an SV with backup camera.
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IAMTHESTIG
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:36 pm

Well it isn't just me this car is for, my wife is playing a big role in this decision and she is a must on the leather seats - so that really limits options. If it was just me driving, by myself, then i'd have different priorities.

Anyway, from my understanding a 240V 30A outlet would allow me to pre-heat the cabin and not use any battery. This morning we lost 3% to the climate timer even though it was plugged into 120V 15A, which I imagine will be an even greater percentage when it gets colder.

So I took a couple more LeafSpy screenshots. I don't know if this is even useful but this looks a little more normal from all the screenshots i've seen here.

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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:29 pm

IAMTHESTIG wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:51 pm
I kinda feel if it is this close now, how is this thing going to do five years from now with around 75K miles on it? Maybe this just isn’t going to cut it?

Thoughts?
5 years ? :lol:
Now you know why the price you are thinking about paying is waaay too high.

Get your wife some leather underwear. Or a seat cover. Or give her a hand to help her off her high horse.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought off-lease Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/2018: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/2018: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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2018 Tesla Model 3 LR, Delivered 6/2018

LeftieBiker
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:34 pm

Anyway, from my understanding a 240V 30A outlet would allow me to pre-heat the cabin and not use any battery.

Yes, with a 30 amp EVSE plugged into it. You really only need 20 amps or more to avoid losing any charge to preheating and still charge at least a bit at the same time. 16 amps at 240 volts is the break even point, IIRC.

One slip ahead of me. Yes, leather custom seat covers. Cwerdna's car would save you enough for a solid gold shift knob, too. ;)
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IAMTHESTIG
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Re: Should I do it? '14 SL w/36K for $11.5K?

Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:26 am

SageBrush wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:29 pm
5 years ? :lol:
Now you know why the price you are thinking about paying is waaay too high.

Get your wife some leather underwear. Or a seat cover. Or give her a hand to help her off her high horse.
Which price? Do you think 9K is too high?

And there is no need to insult us, keep that behavior for the playground. Thanks.

And you keep talking about this “ Cwerdna's” car for sale. Link it please, I searched the forum last night and couldn’t find it. And I looked in the private sale forum as well and didn’t see anything for me.

Also, got the car another overnight test because I wanted to get the tires properly inflated. Also, more battery data. Is this useful?
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