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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:05 pm

The battery warranty improved to 8 years / 100k miles with the 30kwh packs, and stayed there with the 40kwh packs.
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:04 pm

I was actually pretty impressed that the Leaf battery warranty is the same as Tesla’s.
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:43 pm

Sorry to hear about your accident.
Calaveras wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:30 am
I have not received a number from the insurance yet, but expect it will be 8-9k. If I add some savings I should be able to spend $16-17,000 for a replacement.

Any ideas for a short range commuter EV are welcome. I am willing to do a PHEV, but prefer the EV only.
If you just need a short-range commuter EV, why push your budget into savings? You could get a 2011-2016 Leaf with a 40-90% battery for $3-9k, then if it's still under 55 miles range, spend $4-7k on a fresh 40kWh battery from Fenix or your nearest equivalent and still come in $5-9k under budget. There are so many new EVs coming out in the next few years that spending almost $20k for a used short-range commuter seems silly.

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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:05 pm

coleafrado wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:43 pm
Sorry to hear about your accident.
Calaveras wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:30 am
I have not received a number from the insurance yet, but expect it will be 8-9k. If I add some savings I should be able to spend $16-17,000 for a replacement.

Any ideas for a short range commuter EV are welcome. I am willing to do a PHEV, but prefer the EV only.
If you just need a short-range commuter EV, why push your budget into savings? You could get a 2011-2016 Leaf with a 40-90% battery for $3-9k, then if it's still under 55 miles range, spend $4-7k on a fresh 40kWh battery from Fenix or your nearest equivalent and still come in $5-9k under budget. There are so many new EVs coming out in the next few years that spending almost $20k for a used short-range commuter seems silly.
Fenix has yet to produce anything. It could be a very long wait despite their promises of imminent production. Finding a used 30 KWH battery is possible but has problems of its own if replacing a 24 KWH battery. Your best bet is to find a 2016 or 2017 coming off lease. The battery is likely to be in decent shape and still has a lot of warranty left on the battery. $12-13K ought to be enough to get the job done.
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:20 pm

Ditto. I wouldn't hold one's breath for Fenix to ship a product which is their own to real customers that's proven both reliable and safe. I doubt they'll hit that by end of 2020 judging by the trickle of info we've seen and apparent lack of progress.

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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:36 am

coleafrado wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:43 pm
Sorry to hear about your accident.
Calaveras wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:30 am
I have not received a number from the insurance yet, but expect it will be 8-9k. If I add some savings I should be able to spend $16-17,000 for a replacement.

Any ideas for a short range commuter EV are welcome. I am willing to do a PHEV, but prefer the EV only.
If you just need a short-range commuter EV, why push your budget into savings? You could get a 2011-2016 Leaf with a 40-90% battery for $3-9k, then if it's still under 55 miles range, spend $4-7k on a fresh 40kWh battery from Fenix or your nearest equivalent and still come in $5-9k under budget. There are so many new EVs coming out in the next few years that spending almost $20k for a used short-range commuter seems silly.
Maybe it depends on your location but 2015's on carmax near me have still been running around 8-11k.

At that price, why wouldn't you spend a few k more to get it new? Better range, newer tech, and better warranty.

That's part of the problem with used EVs in general is that in some areas, new is actually cheaper with rebates and tax credits.
I really wish more rebates and credits could also be applied to used. When I bought I got 14k in credits and rebates. ONLY 1k of that was also good toward used.
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:36 pm

danrjones wrote:
Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:36 am
coleafrado wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:43 pm
Sorry to hear about your accident.
Calaveras wrote:
Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:30 am
I have not received a number from the insurance yet, but expect it will be 8-9k. If I add some savings I should be able to spend $16-17,000 for a replacement.

Any ideas for a short range commuter EV are welcome. I am willing to do a PHEV, but prefer the EV only.
If you just need a short-range commuter EV, why push your budget into savings? You could get a 2011-2016 Leaf with a 40-90% battery for $3-9k, then if it's still under 55 miles range, spend $4-7k on a fresh 40kWh battery from Fenix or your nearest equivalent and still come in $5-9k under budget. There are so many new EVs coming out in the next few years that spending almost $20k for a used short-range commuter seems silly.
Maybe it depends on your location but 2015's on carmax near me have still been running around 8-11k.

At that price, why wouldn't you spend a few k more to get it new? Better range, newer tech, and better warranty.

That's part of the problem with used EVs in general is that in some areas, new is actually cheaper with rebates and tax credits.
I really wish more rebates and credits could also be applied to used. When I bought I got 14k in credits and rebates. ONLY 1k of that was also good toward used.
It's a tactic to get more total vehicles into the supply stream rather than recycling vehicles & incentives
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:36 pm

There are some good point made here.
I had a 2016 D25 with 11 bars and would have been fine with the 65 mileS I was getting for a few more years. The depreciation of all EVs means that I am not going to get much to replace it with unless I add some cash. Option 1 is get another of the same. They go for about 9-10k
There are a number of 2017 Leafs out there for $12-14. That is my default option. I get a year newer and less miles and charging cycles.

There are always great opportunities next year, but if you were to buy a EV today under $20k What would you do?
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:40 pm

Assuming that you mean a used EV, I would look for a 2017 Leaf SV that has 12 bars without the BMS update ever having been done. That would ensure a good pack and very good range. I'd also want it to have the Premium Package.
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Re: Totaled my 2016 S what to replace it with?

Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:50 pm

Calaveras wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:36 pm
There are some good point made here.
I had a 2016 D25 with 11 bars and would have been fine with the 65 mileS I was getting for a few more years. The depreciation of all EVs means that I am not going to get much to replace it with unless I add some cash. Option 1 is get another of the same. They go for about 9-10k
There are a number of 2017 Leafs out there for $12-14. That is my default option. I get a year newer and less miles and charging cycles.

There are always great opportunities next year, but if you were to buy a EV today under $20k What would you do?
I think there are a lot of great options in that price range. I think the best value for your money would be a 2017 Leaf S for $12-13K, though you might want a SV with a heat pump if you want better cold weather range. Another option would be an early BMW i3 (possibly with a range extender), which around here seem to be going for $16K. It's pushing your budget and your local inventory might be different, but you might be able to find 40kWh Leafs for about $19K.
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