cwerdna
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Re: Time to upgrade

Sun May 03, 2020 7:02 pm

^^^
You mean kWh? Battery capacity is measured in kWh.

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Re: Time to upgrade

Mon May 04, 2020 10:52 am

coleafrado wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:01 pm
Not a great deal. The 2016 is only worth 8-9k used these days. If you can stretch a little, a 62 kWh 2019 can be had from some dealers (Colorado Springs, notably) for just about $20k after all taxes and refunds/rebates (provided you have $7500 in taxes to write off).
I looked at the Leaf's in Colorado Springs and it looked like the really cheap ones didn't have the 'cold weather package', which is a no-brainer to get and a deal-killer if missing to me.

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Re: Time to upgrade

Mon May 04, 2020 11:14 am

goldbrick wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 10:52 am
coleafrado wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 3:01 pm
Not a great deal. The 2016 is only worth 8-9k used these days. If you can stretch a little, a 62 kWh 2019 can be had from some dealers (Colorado Springs, notably) for just about $20k after all taxes and refunds/rebates (provided you have $7500 in taxes to write off).
I looked at the Leaf's in Colorado Springs and it looked like the really cheap ones didn't have the 'cold weather package', which is a no-brainer to get and a deal-killer if missing to me.
Didn't notice that, but for somewhere like Texas it's probably not too big a deal :D

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Marktm
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Re: Time to upgrade

Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:16 pm

An update of an old post;

I missed the 2016 Leaf purchase - it was sold before I could make a "low ball" offer. At this point, I'm going to wait until the V2X technology settles down. Not sure when that will be, but I'll decide on a replacement EV at that time. With the Nissan Ariya going to CCS, I don't believe CHAdeMO will exist for long and any V2X implementation will likely be CCS (DC) or J-1772 (AC).
Also, to feel confident in taking the EV to my rural property, a 60 Plus kWh battery is really needed. V2H (backup) at this rural property is one of the ultimate goals anyway so the larger the battery the better.
2012 Leaf SL; 46,000 miles. Battery replaced November 1st, 2016.

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Re: Time to upgrade

Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:49 pm

Marktm wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:16 pm
I missed the 2016 Leaf purchase - it was sold before I could make a "low ball" offer. At this point, I'm going to wait until the V2X technology settles down. Not sure when that will be, but I'll decide on a replacement EV at that time. With the Nissan Ariya going to CCS, I don't believe CHAdeMO will exist for long and any V2X implementation will likely be CCS (DC) or J-1772 (AC).
Also, to feel confident in taking the EV to my rural property, a 60 Plus kWh battery is really needed. V2H (backup) at this rural property is one of the ultimate goals anyway so the larger the battery the better.
V2X has been working on CHAdeMO cars for many years.

As for V2X on CCS, I don't know of any shipping vehicles in the US that support it. As for upcoming, I dunno. For V2X over J1772, is that even in the works?

I suspect if you are waiting for either of the above (CCS or J1772 route) and to "settle down", you will be waiting for many more years.

I can't speak to the accuracy of these dates but https://insideevs.com/news/342354/chari ... g-by-2025/ suggest it won't be until 2025 that CCS gets bidirectional charging. https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/05/th ... echnology/ says
The Combined Charging System (CCS) does not currently enable V2G, although the body promoting CCS, CharIN, has a roadmap for implementing Vehicle to Home (V2H) and then V2G into the CCS standard by 2025. CharIN says that CCS with ISO 15118 is the key enabler of grid integration and readiness for V2G.

Even once the standard is finalized/published, it typically takes 4–5 years for products to come to the market, especially on the vehicle side, which has a longer planning/designing cycle.

There are many issues to overcome to achieve V2G, including grid capacity to handle and control Vehicle to Grid or Home (V2X) in a safe and secure way. This means a number of international standards must be agreed, then built into the communications hardware and software in the cars, the chargers and the grid.
You want to wait until at least 2029 or 2030?

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