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Re: Winter tire and rim combos etc. Best practice.

Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:31 am

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Re: Winter tire and rim combos etc. Best practice.

Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:10 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:12 pm
If you want a quiet ride and no real hit to energy economy, but with superior Winter performance, I suggest the Michelin x-Ices - and yes, you need four of them to stop the car (not the tires, the whole car) from spinning under certain conditions like a crosswind on a slippery highway.
Any idea how the X-ice's RR compares to the Crossclimate"s? I'd think the Crossclimate might be better to it being also a summer tire but I have no proof, I agree though for true winter tires you can't go wrong with the X-ice tires.
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Re: Winter tire and rim combos etc. Best practice.

Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:33 pm

Any idea how the X-ice's RR compares to the Crossclimate"s?
Sorry, no. I have a very little experience with the Toyo Celsius tires on the Prius, but know nothing about the Crossclimate. If the CCs don't mess with the centering action of the steering like the Celsius tires do (at least on the Prius), I'd suggest them instead.
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Re: Winter tire and rim combos etc. Best practice.

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:06 pm

Our own experience in Vermont, with lots of dirt road and curvy mountain highways, and over the last 50 years, has been 4 studded snows. The ONLY way to KNOW you will be able to slow down when it gets icy. New separate rims allows me to change whenever I want, even for a trip to the cities occasionally. We bought new rims and Nokias, but skimped on the sensors so during the winter our Leafs have always started the day with that Tire Pressure warning- may not be the wisest but there we are. Maybe next year we will buy the sensors- when the Virus Buyout Check comes!
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Re: Winter tire and rim combos etc. Best practice.

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:53 pm

My only experience with studded snows was driving my Dad's P1800S one time in Winter on them. I don't know how he tolerated them: the tires were tall and skinny, and on wet pavement it was like driving on a forerunner to drifting tires. Ice-skating with no ice, yet! Have you tried modern, soft compound ice-rated tires, dmacarthur?
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Re: Winter tire and rim combos etc. Best practice.

Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:38 am

We have the Leaf, Honda van, and VW jetta wagon TDI and all three have dedicated snows. Our favorites are Nokian's, then x-ice and then Blizzacks. I finally gave up and bought a TPMS programer and "blank" TMPS's for the Leaf and Van, the wagon doesn't have them. It was not intuitive to use but not that complicated and now I can clone my tires and replace TPMS's myself. So when I swap to snows the van or Leaf never even knows, it just keeps reading them :)

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Re: Winter tire and rim combos etc. Best practice.

Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:42 am

Morning All,
Concerning studded snow tires. I also live in Vermont and almost all of my driving experience has been here. 40+ years.
I've found that the tire you choose, like the car, should fit your normal application. If you live well off the main paved roads and have to climb much you might want studs. All wheel drive might let you get by without if your travels take on the higher speed roads for distances a lot.
Studs are best on non paved or covered surfaces. They do slip on warm pavement. Wet or dry. They also are usually on tires that have rubber compounds that will disappear when it warms up.

I run Cooper evolutions with studs on my 2019 SV+. I need to climb a steep paved hill first thing in the morning often before its plowed and then get into the unplowed yard and hill where I work. I am the plow guy. It's a 3 mile commute. I live in town. I might make the trip to Burlington a couple times a month now.

When I worked near Burlington,VT 31 miles one way, I ran the X-Ice on my 2016 SV. I was again the plow guy so I needed to travel early. I needed all the range I could get for that trip. Studded tires take my range down to 2.7 in cold bad weather and 3.4 or so when dry in the 30sF.
For the 2016 I needed the range so I took the hit on better action. I drove accordingly. The heavy Leaf does very well at reasonable speeds in snow if you're calm and plan. If you rally drive on the highway any car with any tire will become a hockey puck if pressed. I have seen many dotting the medians in the 12 years I made that trip.

Studs are loud. Studs don't grip that well on dry or rainy pavement. They don't really belong there.
This was a bit long but I wanted to show the reasoning.

As with choosing which EV to purchase, look at what you do most of the time. Get the tires that suit that need.
I wish the sand paper retreads were still made. They were amazing in the snow and ice. Just don't run them after April. I know the tech has improved and the current stud-less tires are very good.
The GoodYear F32 was another amazing non studded winter tire.

Hope this helps,
Greg
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