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Re: POLL: Would you buy a $500 Tesla Supercharger or CCS -> CHAdeMO adapter? What would you risk to make it happen?

Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:39 am

coleafrado wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:49 am
Did, or does Tesla financially contribute to the charging networks built by EVgo, Nissan, GreenLots, Ionity, or Electrify America? If you're okay with Tesla owners using CHAdeMO adapters with "public" fast charging networks.
No, the owners of those Tesla cars contribute to the charging networks built by EVgo, EA, etc, by paying for the service they receive when using those networks.

This whole thread is silly. There isn't going to be a adapter to let CHAdeMO cars using the SuC network. You time might be better off spent arranging a petitio for Nissan to switch future cars to using CCS instead of CHAdeMO, at least in North America.
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Re: POLL: Would you buy a $500 Tesla Supercharger or CCS -> CHAdeMO adapter? What would you risk to make it happen?

Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:25 am

Zythryn wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:19 am
I agree about Monopolies.
Your definition is faulty.

Tesla worked with the group that made the J1772 standard. They made certain proposals that were dismissed.
They didn't like the standard, so they made some adjustments which allow for a more functional and useful connector.
Standards so are wonderful, everyone wants their own.
Zythryn wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:19 am
They then started building their own charging network on their own dime (yes, money was generated through sales of product as well as through capital raises.)
No other auto company has done the same. VW may come the closest with their court ordered restitution. However, it is a minor expenditure compared to the full cost of the network.

When I bought my Leaf, I couldn't use CCS chargers?
When I bought my first Leaf, there were not any CCS chargers. So why the CCS standard with Chademo already in place? A long discussion, not part of this topic.
Zythryn wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:19 am
Does that mean Nissan had a Monopoly?
Chademo was an open standard, not controlled by Nissan. So is CCS. No car company controls the standards. Unlike Tesla SuperCharger. Any car maker can put Chademo in their car. Any car maker can put CCS in their car. Or both. Any charging network can support Chademo. Any charging network can support CCS. No car maker can forbid the use of a charging network. No charging network can forbid charging a car that meets the standard.
Zythryn wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:19 am
Or that the CCS network had a monopoly?
CCS isn't a network. CCS is a standard. Any network can support CCS, even Tesla. Any car can support CCS, even Tesla.
Zythryn wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:19 am
Are you arguing that Tesla should let other cars use their SC's for free?
Tesla controls the SC network and the SC standard. There are several ways the future might evolve. This is about the future, not the current day.

One: Tesla never gains a huge share of the car market. Other electric cars not using the SC standard are the majority by far, and some open standard supported by multiple charge network and multiple car makers is by far the widest install. So Tesla owners are usually forced to use an adapter, adding to bother and cost, and lack of usage of the SC network leads to the end of the SC standard as Tesla adopts the same standard everyone else uses.

Two: Tesla gains a dominating market share of the car market. ICE manufactures are gone, but many baling wire and chewing gum patched ICEs are still on the road. The few competing electric cars have basically no public charging available, as Tesla has either taken over or driven out of business all competing charging networks. Tesla has become the car company. And they don't have to care. And don't.

Tesla has absolutely no reason to open up the SC standard. Even if some other car company was dumb enough to install it in their cars, it would still be Tesla's standard, and Tesla could change the standard at any time. It would still be Tesla's network, and could deny or degrade usage to any competing car at any time.
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Re: POLL: Would you buy a $500 Tesla Supercharger or CCS -> CHAdeMO adapter? What would you risk to make it happen?

Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:39 pm

jlv wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:39 am
coleafrado wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:49 am
Did, or does Tesla financially contribute to the charging networks built by EVgo, Nissan, GreenLots, Ionity, or Electrify America? If you're okay with Tesla owners using CHAdeMO adapters with "public" fast charging networks.
No, the owners of those Tesla cars contribute to the charging networks built by EVgo, EA, etc, by paying for the service they receive when using those networks.
So, if a Nissan owner "buys" service from the Supercharger network by using it with an adapter, are they not contributing in exactly the same way?

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Re: POLL: Would you buy a $500 Tesla Supercharger or CCS -> CHAdeMO adapter? What would you risk to make it happen?

Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:14 pm

coleafrado wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:39 pm
So, if a Nissan owner "buys" service from the Supercharger network by using it with an adapter, are they not contributing in exactly the same way?
Sure. You can dream such an adapter might come to be. :lol:
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