EVornottoEV
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Buying a used leaf in 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:01 am

Hi everyone,

I'm in the market for a used leaf. Thanks @LeftieBiker for the awesome write up, it was very helpful! I hope I'm not breaking any rules by creating a new thread but I'd like to get some feedback on purchasing a used leaf in 2020.

I live in a warm climate (Los Angeles) and was hoping to spend around $10k or so. If someone were to try and find the best deal on a used like in the 10-12k range where would you start? Should I look for a 16-17 with 24kwh pack (the whole 30 kwh issue scares me a bit)? Or should I look for a lower usage/high bar 2014-2015? Or a third option would be to spend a bit more and get an 18.

Many thanks to this community in advance :mrgreen:

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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:15 am

EVornottoEV wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:01 am
Should I look for a 16-17 with 24kwh pack (the whole 30 kwh issue scares me a bit)? Or should I look for a lower usage/high bar 2014-2015? Or a third option would be to spend a bit more and get an 18.
You can't get a '17 with 24 kWh pack. They're all 30 kWh.

'16 original S was 24. '16 SV and '16 SL are 30 kWh along with https://www.greencarreports.com/news/11 ... gher-price. '16 "S 30" came near the very end of the '16 model year.

The good thing about 30 kWh (and 40 + 62 kWh) is that the capacity warranty is 8 years/100K miles. Need to be down to 8 capacity bars before expiration. 24 kWh packs only have 5 year/60K capacity warranties.

And, unless viewtopic.php?p=583638#p583638 somehow changes, if have a 30 kWh car and need a warranty replacement, you should receive a 40 kWh pack as the replacement.

If you come across a '14 and '15 w/the same # of capacity bars/similar capacity, go for the '15 as the lizard pack (on '15) is better.

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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:19 pm

In your case, living in a hot climate I'd be inclined to suggest a used Volt which has liquid cooling for the battery. True it's range may only be around 40 miles EV but then you have the ICE, good for maybe another 300 miles. Now if you truly want to have nothing to do with an ICE then maybe look for a 30kwh Leaf, as new as you can find in your price range, with a battery as degraded as you can. In your climate, you'd probably have a good chance of getting to 8 bars and getting a 40kwh battery :D
It's true the Volt can be quite cramped, depending on your build and some were only 4 passenger, I personally like its styling and you can't argue with it's pickup, it was just too cramped for me. I also really disliked it's massive(IMO) center console shifter, much prefer the tiny mouse the Leaf uses or if you have to have a T-shifter on an EV or CVT then stick it on the dash like Honda does on some of its vehicles to get it out of the way.
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:33 pm

If a Leaf if the car you want, then go for a 2018 or 2019 Plus. The larger battery will in general wear better and reduce you cycles and stops for charging.

Many of us with Plus models (we have 2 personally) find we can relatively easily make 200 miles on the highway in dry weather as long as we keep it to 70 MPH or less.
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:46 pm

There will be lots of 40kwh Leafs coming off lease in 2020. Even with average or higher degradation, the range will never fall below about 90 miles in your climate, because of the battery warranty. Pro Pilot is a nice assist, especially for highway driving, and the extra HP of the gen II is nice.
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:45 am

A 2018+ LEAF would likely cost quite a bit more than your price point, and do research reliability on the 2018+. Consumer Reports indicates drastically lower reliability than the 2015-2017 models.

How much time would the car spend outside? Would you be able to garage it? What is your typical driving like?

If you are especially worried about heat degradation, and want a LEAF, and if a 24 kWh battery would meet your needs, I would look for a 2015-2016 24 kWh version (this is the "lizard" pack).

If your car is likely to spend its days outside, you might consider an EV with active battery cooling, like a Fiat 500e, Chevy Spark EV, Kia Soul EV, Ford e-Focus, VW e-Golf, etc.

I drive a 2016 30 kWh LEAF with no notable degradation, but it is almost always in a garage.

I highly suggest EVing if it fits your lifestyle. Ditching the combustion engine is incredibly nice!

Best wishes!
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:36 pm

In your case, I would hunt for a 2016/17 with a 30 kWh pack that's down a couple of bars already. Given your hot climate, there's a good chance you would qualify for a free replacement pack (40 kWh) before the warranty runs out - especially if you are doing frequent DC quick charges in the heat and charging to 100% SOC frequently ;)
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:42 am

alozzy wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:36 pm
In your case, I would hunt for a 2016/17 with a 30 kWh pack that's down a couple of bars already. Given your hot climate, there's a good chance you would qualify for a free replacement pack (40 kWh) before the warranty runs out - especially if you are doing frequent DC quick charges in the heat and charging to 100% SOC frequently ;)
Make sure that the bars were lost after the BMS update was performed, although the odds are still good that they would be gone within the warranty period anyway, eventually...
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EVornottoEV
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:53 am

PrairieLEAF wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:45 am
A 2018+ LEAF would likely cost quite a bit more than your price point, and do research reliability on the 2018+. Consumer Reports indicates drastically lower reliability than the 2015-2017 models.

How much time would the car spend outside? Would you be able to garage it? What is your typical driving like?

If you are especially worried about heat degradation, and want a LEAF, and if a 24 kWh battery would meet your needs, I would look for a 2015-2016 24 kWh version (this is the "lizard" pack).

If your car is likely to spend its days outside, you might consider an EV with active battery cooling, like a Fiat 500e, Chevy Spark EV, Kia Soul EV, Ford e-Focus, VW e-Golf, etc.

I drive a 2016 30 kWh LEAF with no notable degradation, but it is almost always in a garage.

I highly suggest EVing if it fits your lifestyle. Ditching the combustion engine is incredibly nice!

Best wishes!
My car would be garaged at home and if I go back to work (uncertain at this time) then it would be outside during work hours. My work says we might eventually go back next year or may be permanent work from home. Let's assume it would be outside during work hours. I drive about 18 miles each way and can charge on both ends.

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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:54 am

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:42 am
alozzy wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:36 pm
In your case, I would hunt for a 2016/17 with a 30 kWh pack that's down a couple of bars already. Given your hot climate, there's a good chance you would qualify for a free replacement pack (40 kWh) before the warranty runs out - especially if you are doing frequent DC quick charges in the heat and charging to 100% SOC frequently ;)
Make sure that the bars were lost after the BMS update was performed, although the odds are still good that they would be gone within the warranty period anyway, eventually...
If I understand correctly BMS update Is an update from Nissan to "fix" the way the estimated remaining battery capacity is shown? Is that accurate? And how can I tell if the update was performed or not? I plan on getting an ODB and Leafspy to use during my hunt.

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