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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:06 pm

I am going by the highway range of my 2013 Leaf at 60MPH when it was close to losing the first bar. I am also going by what others have claimed for a highway range, which is lower than about 90% of the brand new highway range of a 2013 Leaf that you give. A Leaf with 11 full bars should get about 60 miles at 60MPH, especially if the A/C is used and there are any hills. 55MPH might get close to 70 miles.
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:45 pm

A/C will introduce a huge variable -- avoid during the 'miles' test.

The 24 kWh LEAF battery started out with ~ 21.5 kWh usable capacity when new, and a range of 84 miles
11 bars puts the battery in the range of 80 - 85% of new,

80% of 84 = 67.2 miles
85% of 84 = 71.4 miles

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OP should keep in mind that he is trying to avoid falling for a reset battery. That is not a 10.75 bar battery, it is much more likely a markedly degraded battery. Any half-assed capacity test will probably catch a fraudster. So while I think 60 miles of range is an under-estimate, it is probably OK to use since it implies a battery that is still way more than I expect of reset batteries
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:43 am

Thanks for the advice everyone on testing battery on some of these used leafs. The problem is I've not found a dealer that will let me drive it more than a mile or 2. I live in a very congested area and I'm lucky if they let me go around the block a few times. A 20 mile journey could take well over an hour here. I also get this feeling that since these are used, cheap vehicles, they are even less inclined to give me much time. I was looking at used Leafs at a ford dealership yesterday and it was difficult to even get the doors open to look inside, let alone a 20 mile test drive.

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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:17 am

I would not buy that LEAF without an adequate test drive, but I would offer to pay for a short rental.
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:28 am

I just did a quick Cargurus search, 2012-2014 Leaf, Los Angeles...there are several. I agree with others. You do NOT want to buy a Leaf w/o taking a lengthy test drive.
Good luck!
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:40 pm

After a few days of trips to dealers and short test drives I think my search for a used leaf is done. I’m just not a gambler and this feels like too big of a gamble.

Going to continue checking out the Niro and Kona, maybe even look at some PHEVs. Thank you all. I’ll update here once I finally purchase something.
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:52 pm

Your other option would be to see if they will write into the sales contract that no capacity bars will drop in 30 days, or the car can be returned. Yes, I know - unlikely, but worth a try. If they know that they didn't reset the BMS, and the car wasn't bought at auction, it's a safe bet for the dealership.
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:20 pm

I agree with SageBrush in this case, it sounds too iffy to take the risk. Plenty of old Leaf's out there.
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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:17 pm

In case anyone is on the edge of their seat wondering what I bought...

I picked up a 2017 Bolt today. It was coming off a lease. I paid just under $16000. It's a bit more car than I need but I should be good for awhile with the range and battery. I feel more comfortable with the battery cooling situation on the Bolt.

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Re: Buying a used leaf in 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:49 pm

Smart choice for SoCal, sounds like a decent price for a Bolt.

Your Bolt's battery pack has likely degraded 10% or less, thanks to the TMS pack cooling. A 2017 LEAF in SoCal would likely have double the degradation.
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