Flyct
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Leaf Number: 310009
Location: Bradenton, Florida, US

Another Leaf or Niro?

Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:01 pm

My 2019Leaf SL Plus has been at dealer for weeks now trying to get the radio/nav unit to function. I just filed Lemon Law arbitration with the BBB. It meets the Florida LL 30+ days out of service so I’ll be looking for a buyback.

This is our 3rd Leaf the wife loves it. I’m considering alternatives. I test drive a Tesla M3 but getting in and out wasn’t to my liking. Plus reliability reports are not the best.

Florida has very limited EV availability. The Niro EV interests me but I’d have to buy it in GA.

The only credits in FL is the $7500 Federal tax credit which the Leaf and Niro EV qualify for.

Any suggestions on what to do?
2019 Leaf SL Plus w/All Options
2015 Lexus RX450h Hybrid SUV
2019 F-150 XLT Extended cab
2019 Ford F-350 Lariat Ultimate Crew Cab Short Bed Diesel
2017 Grand Design Reflection 337RLS 5th Wheel RV
2017 Kawasaki FXT-Pro LE Side by Side

GerryAZ
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Location: Phoenix, AZ

Re: Another Leaf or Niro?

Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:20 pm

I have not looked at the Niro since it is not available in AZ. Personally, I would not buy something that did not have local dealer support. The navigation unit is the only thing I don't like on my 2019 SL Plus--much prefer the older navigation/touchscreen systems. Although I don't care for the navigation system, I have had no trouble with it in over a year and 21k miles (other than it going nuts when I cleaned the screen with alcohol-based eyeglass cleaner wipes). I had to clean the screen with clear water and a soft cloth a couple of times to restore normal touchscreen function and then reprogram all the settings that were corrupted by the random "touches" it interpreted from the capacitance/conductivity of the alcohol-based cleaner--it was weird to watch all the screen jumping like an invisible person was touching the screen.

Since your wife likes the LEAF, take another tax credit and start over with a 2020.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL Plus purchased 8/10/2019

cwerdna
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Location: SF Bay Area, CA

Re: Another Leaf or Niro?

Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:15 pm

GerryAZ wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:20 pm
Personally, I would not buy something that did not have local dealer support.
I'd have similar concerns. If local dealers aren't willing to work on our have no experience w/HyunKia BEVs, service could be problematic. I'd check w/service depts to see what would happen if you brought one in...

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alozzy
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Location: Vancouver, BC
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Re: Another Leaf or Niro?

Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 pm

In your climate, Niro EV vs LEAF isn't even a competition. Buy a Niro EV.

You might have a hard time getting a Niro EV serviced, but at least you won't have to worry about a cooked battery pack.
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SageBrush
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Location: NM

Re: Another Leaf or Niro?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:56 am

LEAF incompetent, rapacious Nissan dealerships are a dime a dozen. Having a Nissan dealership near by is not much of a confidence boost for service unless you know your dealership is competent -- and even then, the competency is usually only one tech who can flee tomorrow.

I went to a Nissan dealership yesterday for windshield wiper tubing and was offered a bag of it for $75.
Lucky for me the guy at the parts desk mentioned that they buy the stuff at NAPA auto parts, where I paid 69 cents a foot.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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GRA
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Location: East side of San Francisco Bay

Re: Another Leaf or Niro?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:59 pm

alozzy wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 pm
In your climate, Niro EV vs LEAF isn't even a competition. Buy a Niro EV.

You might have a hard time getting a Niro EV serviced, but at least you won't have to worry about a cooked battery pack.
While a Niro meets my requirements better than a LEAF, and I concur about the likelihood of better battery durability with the Niro's TMS pack, the fact that U.S. Niro BEVs have NO CAPACITY WARRANTY would make me pass, in addition to the service issues mentioned.
Guy [I have lots of experience designing/selling off-grid AE systems, some using EVs but don't own one. Local trips are by foot, bike and/or rapid transit].

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DougWantsALeaf
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Leaf Number: 407811
Location: Chicago North Side

Re: Another Leaf or Niro?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:37 pm

not enough Niros here to know, but the anecdotal reports are that the early batteries are holding up well. Some report 0 degradation after 50k miles, per dealer battery reports (but that may only be worth as much as saying 12 bars and 5 stars from Nissan).

I have seen a little grumbling on the newer eNiros, so not sure if its just growing pains creating quality issues or just a wider audience.

The lack of a service network would worry me a little during warranty years. I likely would have bought a Niro over a Leaf Plus if available in Chicago last year as our Kias were both very good values with very little mechanical issue and a better range than the Leaf. I pressed our local dealer (we had a Sedona at the time) a few times for likelihood of them coming soon, and the answer was always "at least 2 years away" which is proving to be accurate. While I am guessing I could have gotten them to do tire rotations, they were pretty verbal that they wouldn't do anything else as they didn't have a tech for the car. That is one thing Nissan did reasonably well, is making the csr available and supported nationwide.

Good luck with your decision.
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alozzy
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Re: Another Leaf or Niro?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:19 pm

GRA wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:59 pm
alozzy wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 pm
In your climate, Niro EV vs LEAF isn't even a competition. Buy a Niro EV.

You might have a hard time getting a Niro EV serviced, but at least you won't have to worry about a cooked battery pack.
While a Niro meets my requirements better than a LEAF, and I concur about the likelihood of better battery durability with the Niro's TMS pack, the fact that U.S. Niro BEVs have NO CAPACITY WARRANTY would make me pass, in addition to the service issues mentioned.
Ok, but you are in the Bay area. Personally, I wouldn't even consider a LEAF if I lived in Florida, as the OP does.
Vancouver, CA owner of a 2013 Ocean Blue SV + QC, purchased 01/2017 in WA
Zencar 12/20/24/30A L1/L2 portable EVSE
1-1/4" Curt #11396 hitch
After market, DIY LED DRLs
LeafSpy Pro + Konnwei KW902 ELM327 BT OBDII dongle
Loving my first BEV :D

salyavin
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Delivery Date: 30 Dec 2019
Leaf Number: 318726
Location: Littleton , CO

Re: Another Leaf or Niro?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:35 pm

I am curious is the Bolt available where you are? Have you looked at them? The Bolt also has battery cooling and has good deals.

I also would be hesitant without warranty service available on the Kia.

GRA
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Re: Another Leaf or Niro?

Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:54 pm

alozzy wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:19 pm
GRA wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:59 pm
alozzy wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 pm
In your climate, Niro EV vs LEAF isn't even a competition. Buy a Niro EV.

You might have a hard time getting a Niro EV serviced, but at least you won't have to worry about a cooked battery pack.
While a Niro meets my requirements better than a LEAF, and I concur about the likelihood of better battery durability with the Niro's TMS pack, the fact that U.S. Niro BEVs have NO CAPACITY WARRANTY would make me pass, in addition to the service issues mentioned.
Ok, but you are in the Bay area. Personally, I wouldn't even consider a LEAF if I lived in Florida, as the OP does.
Parts of the Bay Area get plenty hot (a couple of cities hit 112 over Labor Day weekend), but I wasn't suggesting a LEAF would be a good fit. Both it and the Niro have drawbacks for the long-term: the LEAF will degrade faster but has a capacity warranty, and the Niro slower but doesn't.

As Salyavin suggests I'd recommend the Bolt if it otherwise meets the OP's needs and is available.

If the Niro offered a capacity warranty it would be a different matter. A lot of it comes down to how long the OP plans to keep the car, and how much range they need for that period.
Guy [I have lots of experience designing/selling off-grid AE systems, some using EVs but don't own one. Local trips are by foot, bike and/or rapid transit].

The 'best' is the enemy of 'good enough'. Copper shot, not Silver bullets.

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