We need a dose of reality when looking at depreciation. That 2017 has a 30 kwh pack and guess what? Even it was sold with 100% of its new capacity, it still would have been sold for cheap and why? Because 60 kwh and more is what is running around today. If used Bolts are selling for $15K, what would "you" pay for 30 kwh?queuetee wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:57 pmI admit am new to the Leaf, just want to buy one. But my friend, his 3 years old 2017 Leaf with low milages, got a quote from Carvana for 7K, that's big depreciation to me. I was not talking about the lifetime cost of ownership, I was talking after 3 years. I would assume every new car, the first 3 years maintenance is not that much, no? Let say you buy and you change car after 3 years, what is the cost of ownership of Lexus 45K vs Leaf 45K. Off course, the Leaf has tax incentives, but that offset the "expensive of battery". Admit it, in term of Luxury, the Leaf at $45K is not a Luxury car, it's $45K because is EV, whereas any ICE car with $45K range is purely Luxury car.DaveinOlyWA wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:29 pmI am impressed you "know" this depreciation thing. Tell me; beyond that great resale value on that gasser, what was the difference in cost to run and maintain it over an EV?queuetee wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:52 am
This is not just SL, but SL Plus, 220 miles range. I live in California, so it will be around 23K even after $10,300 from Fed, CA and PGE. I can't believe it, 45K car we can get at 23K. It looks very cheap on paper, but actually, if you look at the depreciation of the Leaf, is not that good. I know if I buy the SL Plus, I will lose almost 70% of its value after 3 years. This is the thing that is holding me back to buy the car. Actually, every EV has this problem with depreciation except the mighty Tesla. I don't like Tesla since it's expensive and no more tax break, but I do think sometime you might come out ahead in term of financial since their cars hold values very well.
I know everyone here doesn't like to drive ICE, I don't either. But I just sold my 12 years old ICE car with 150K+ miles for $12K. I bought around $28K in 2008. Talking about holding its value
I know this guy who sold a Mercedes for $20 K (was quite a while ago and that was HUGE money back then) bragging he only lost like $8,000 or something from what he paid for it. Problem was he didn't trust the local dealer for maintenance so went to German Cars Northwest. They always did a great job and their prices reflected it. He tried to blow off the costs as "just how cars are" but...
He had actually just sold the car less than a year after I had bought my 2004 Prius. After sales tax, etc. I paid $22K and change. Yeah, it was $19,999 base price with floor mats adding like $200 to it. (before you ask, no it wasn't Black) He thought that was hilarious. I averaged $100-$200 a year in maintenance during the time I had the car. He had no comment on that.
But the Plus is a 62 kwh pack which puts it into an entirely different league. It will see the same level of degradation when $30,000 EVs with 120 kwh packs are common place and guess what? You got time... a LOT of time.
But getting the best price is worth something but how much will it cost you to wait? How much lower will it go? $1,000? $2,000? You know there is a lower limit, a hard limit. I have to say, take it while you can.