SageBrush
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Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:56 am

https://insideevs.com/news/447171/us-ni ... 020-sales/

I'd say declarations of the impending demise of the LEAF are premature since the car is doing (relatively) better outside the USA but I'm not sure it matters much. A CHAdeMO LEAF is at close-out pricing. One thing is for sure, based on Nissan behavior with CHAdeMO and their corporate agonies : the guillotine comes down without warning. If Nissan decides that the LEAF is a money loser it will be killed before you can say "No CCS and no TMS killed the LEAF."

I for one am glad I don't have to care about depreciation.
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11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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WetEV
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:06 am

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:56 am
https://insideevs.com/news/447171/us-ni ... 020-sales/

I'd say declarations of the impending demise of the LEAF are premature since the car is doing (relatively) better outside the USA but I'm not sure it matters much. A CHAdeMO LEAF is at close-out pricing.

I for one am glad I don't have to care about depreciation.
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:24 am

Nissan will keep the Leaf in market, even at small volumes just to say it has an Ev. Its continuing to expand its distribution to new geos, which feels counter to a dead car. I would agree that short of a remod, it has limited life even outside the US. I dod think that at the bottom basement prices, they would have moved a few more though.

Funny that the Outlander phev is seeing a small comeback with Plug in SUVs coming back into style.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:17 pm

I think that the success or failure of the Ariya will determine the fate of the Leaf.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:23 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:17 pm
I think that the success or failure of the Ariya will determine the fate of the Leaf.
How so ?
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:25 pm

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:24 am
Nissan will keep the Leaf in market, even at small volumes just to say it has an Ev.
Zombie mode ?

That has been my characterization of CHAdeMO for the past couple of years.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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LeftieBiker
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:04 pm

SageBrush wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:23 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:17 pm
I think that the success or failure of the Ariya will determine the fate of the Leaf.
How so ?
If the Ariya is a success, then Nissan may come out with a Gen III Leaf. If it fails marginally, they may still do that. If the Ariya sells very poorly, then Nissan may pull the plug (so to speak) on the Leaf as well.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:13 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:04 pm
SageBrush wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:23 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:17 pm
I think that the success or failure of the Ariya will determine the fate of the Leaf.
How so ?
If the Ariya is a success, then Nissan may come out with a Gen III Leaf. If it fails marginally, they may still do that. If the Ariya sells very poorly, then Nissan may pull the plug (so to speak) on the Leaf as well.
My take would be that Nissan needs an EV for compliance reasons. If the Ariya is a success there is little to no reason to keep the LEAF around. If the Ariya fails then Nissan chooses the least expensive to their bottom line to maintain CARB and EU compliance.

However, a silver lining of Tesla growing the EV space exponentially is that regulatory credits are probably going down in price. Nissan may well find that it is cheaper to buy Tesla credits than continue their EV program.

Such is the life of a compliance car in a failing legacy car manufacturer
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:00 pm

Chademo is funny enough being propelled now as much by Tesla as it is the trickle of Leafs and Outlanders. Quietly, I am very much hoping that Tesla does not adopt a ccs converter or plug here.

I wish Tesla published how many adapters they sold a month. Guessing its double the sales of Leafs now. I wish it was enough for EA to go to double chademo. Hey..has any Tesla owner tried the newer EVGo Tesla adapters yet?

I agree that Leaf is becoming a Zombie, and will likely have only minor changes for 2021. What a different trajectory the car could have here and in Europe if it put the e4rce (for an extra 5k) and liquid cooling on the car. The 226 miles of range while not stellar, in plenty for most....though the non-Tesla sweet spot appears to be 250 miles epa. Ex Bolt, Kona, ID4, iPace...eTron getting close.

With all other Nissan sales in the toilet, the upside is that they don't need as many carb credits.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:32 pm

>>Quietly, I am very much hoping that Tesla does not adopt a ccs converter or plug here.

Sorry, but the upcoming Ariya is CCS.

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