webeleafowners
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:18 am

Still more BC Hydro sites going in on another major corridor. Pretty isolated area and some are just single phase 25 KW units because of their isolated locations but all are single or dual Chademo/CCS units. As long as Tesla is around the need for Chademo will be there as they are the biggest Chademo users up here.

Many of these new sites won’t be finished till spring of 2021 now. But I think the next effort will be 97 corridor to Alaska north of Prince George. It might not be done by this time next year but I bet you it will be sited. Unfortunately I think many will be the slower single phase units as that is what they have available in many of these remote locations. Meh. Better than walking. :).
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:53 am

frontrangeleaf wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:31 pm
Who cares about DCFC?
Only those who are looking to replace their last ICE vehicle with an EV. Today, that's not the big part of the market. That comes later. Much later.
I was at a public L2 station this week getting some charge into our LEAF for the drive home. I cannot remember the last time I used public L2 charging but that is a different story ...
Anyway, a Fiat 500e pulled up and I chatted with the owner. He lived in an Apt complex nearby and would spend ~ 3.5 hours about once a week L2 charging at this public spot because his Apt refused to accommodate his car. I applauded his dedication to EV, but he corrected me. He said he lived on SS and disability, and had lost his prior car when he fell behind in payments. While looking for cheap cars on the Enterprise rental website he came across this 2017 Fiat for $8,000. He had never heard of a "500e" model and was flummoxed to find out that it was an EV. In the end, the cheap price won out over his reticence and he bought the car.

~ 100 EPA range
No DCFC
No service for the car in my city, perhaps not for a thousand miles until CA

Sounds bad, right ? He is happy, since he has gone from car-less to driving around in a peppy car for pennies a mile. He goes to local EV car shows to show off his car. The moral here is that an $8,000 local EV is GREAT, warts and all. A $20,000 local EV is seekret code for BK.
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11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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ddh1313
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:16 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:27 pm
Go look at Michigan in plugshare. Enable the "coming soon" chargers in your filters. Chargepoint is lighting up the whole state... all with double (or more) Chademos.
Wow, I just looked at Michigan. You're not joking when you say "the state".
With the Ariya going to CCS and Tesla having so much growth, it's going to be hilariously ironic if we end up having the most exclusive DC charging network.

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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:31 am

Teslas use Chademos heavily, in spite of reports to the contrary, especially those at the highway plazas. Combined, Leafs and Teslas represent the vast majority of EVs on the road in the US today.

That has started to shift, and will accelerate next year with ID4, MachE, etc. But yes for now, enjoy the next 3 years.
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webeleafowners
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:43 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:31 am
Teslas use Chademos heavily, in spite of reports to the contrary, especially those at the highway plazas. Combined, Leafs and Teslas represent the vast majority of EVs on the road in the US today.

That has started to shift, and will accelerate next year with ID4, MachE, etc. But yes for now, enjoy the next 3 years.
Absolutely Doug. Chademo is key to the provincial governments vehicle electrification strategy here, mostly because the majority of EV’s on the road use Chademo...and that would be Tesla and Leaf in that order. As long as Tesla is Chademo compatible Chademo will be an important part of the provincial EV strategy. And Tesla hasn’t given any indication of going CCS in North America.

Jmho.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:24 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:31 am
Teslas use Chademos heavily, in spite of reports to the contrary, especially those at the highway plazas.
I really doubt "heavily". I think a Tesla driver would use a CHAdeMO if and only if they lived in an area where there were more CHAdeMOs than SuperChargers, and that happens to be far and few between, especially given all the SuC build out in 2018 and 2019. Certainly up and down the east coast and into New England, can't imagine lots of Tesla drivers using CHAdeMOs "heavily". But you can keep believing this if it makes you happy.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:45 am

jlv wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:24 am
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:31 am
Teslas use Chademos heavily, in spite of reports to the contrary, especially those at the highway plazas.
I really doubt "heavily". I think a Tesla driver would use a CHAdeMO if and only if they lived in an area where there were more CHAdeMOs than SuperChargers, and that happens to be far and few between, especially given all the SuC build out in 2018 and 2019. Certainly up and down the east coast and into New England, can't imagine lots of Tesla drivers using CHAdeMOs "heavily". But you can keep believing this if it makes you happy.
Yep (not including Canada).

Superchargers are *much* more reliable than CHAdeMO, in another league when it comes to power, and cheaper than EA. If Doug is seeing a couple Tesla at a CHAdeMO station it is more than likely because they are free ... and you can always find a few people who will act irrationally to save a few pennies. That situation is a sliver of the overall situation.

There are probably a dozen (if not more )Tesla owners that still read this forum. How many own a CHAdeMO adapter ? I don't, and I don't know any Tesla owner that does. That includes all the people I have talked to at the Tesla owners club. If Nissan bought the adapter for Tesla owners the CHAdeMO usage would improve a little, but at $500 ? Doug is living in la la land.
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Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:52 am

jlv wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:24 am
DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:31 am
Teslas use Chademos heavily, in spite of reports to the contrary, especially those at the highway plazas.
I really doubt "heavily". I think a Tesla driver would use a CHAdeMO if and only if they lived in an area where there were more CHAdeMOs than SuperChargers, and that happens to be far and few between, especially given all the SuC build out in 2018 and 2019. Certainly up and down the east coast and into New England, can't imagine lots of Tesla drivers using CHAdeMOs "heavily". But you can keep believing this if it makes you happy.
Charging station density varies considerably. You are in one of the highest density areas for all charging station providers. I would expect little if any Teslas using Chademo as well. That is not true everywhere.
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:00 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:47 am
SageBrush wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:36 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:14 am
In a period of a week, Bolt and Kona under investigation for battery fires. Bolt is getting increased scrutiny only at this point but all 77,000 Kona's have been recalled. It is the TMS Trade off.
How do you know that before the investigation has some answers ? Can you not think of other possibilities ?

Riddle: what is a Bolt with an inoperable TMS ?
Answer: A LEAF
What exactly are you implying? That Kona has nothing better to do than recall all their cars because it could be an ownership issue or an environmental issue or it was simply a slow Tuesday and they couldn't find anything else to do?
Slow today, I see.

I'm saying that TMS is only one of many possible reasons.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
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11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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Re: Nissan LEAF Death Watch

Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:02 am

SageBrush wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:00 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:47 am
SageBrush wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:36 am

How do you know that before the investigation has some answers ? Can you not think of other possibilities ?

Riddle: what is a Bolt with an inoperable TMS ?
Answer: A LEAF
What exactly are you implying? That Kona has nothing better to do than recall all their cars because it could be an ownership issue or an environmental issue or it was simply a slow Tuesday and they couldn't find anything else to do?
Slow today, I see.

I'm saying that TMS is only one of many possible reasons.
OIC. You are referring to the "other" fires. Yeah, one was bad wiring, another was out of code EVSE install and another originated elsewhere in the garage and the car was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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