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When is Nissan Connect Carwings Going away, i.e., 3G

Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:08 am

I upgraded for free to 3G a few years ago, since 2G network yeas going away back then (now gone). It appears 3G is now going to go away by end of 2022. So two years or so.

Does anyone know if our Car Wings/ Connect will go away with the retirement of 3G. Or were the new boxes 4G LTE as well or 3G with HD which may still work on a 4g network? ANYONE KNOW?

Not worried but just curious. I like the connect but frankly it is a little glitchy. I have had from time to time had to reset the car (power down the telematics) or clean out the phone App's cache or do both to restore it.

The text messages reminding me it is not plugged in or charging stopped are not really critical. I have never used it to turn on AC or Heat but that is cool you can... The stats are fun but not that fun. Don't really care anymore. So really it is a yawn. The car (2015 SV, Silver, very good condition, 30K miles, has 11 bars about 80% capacity) is not worth much according to used price list.... I am going to keep it as a second car for awhile (or sell it?). So I have 2 years it looks like. However if the

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Re: When is Nissan Connect Carwings Going away, i.e., 3G

Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:44 am

We plan on keeping the 2020 if it works out, so not being able to access climate control remotely would be a real Bummer. I got the text messages for a while with the 2013, before 2G ended, but considered them as much an annoyance as a help.
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Re: When is Nissan Connect Carwings Going away, i.e., 3G

Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:47 pm

Thank you. Begs the question what is Nissan going to do? And does our 3G support HD voice or does it need to. I guess worst case is Feb 2022 we are done. Nissan is not under any obligation to do anything on a 7 yr old LEAF. At least it was free service while it lasted.

"To bring you faster speeds and new features, we have to evolve America’s best 1 and also fastest 2 network. One change we’re making is phasing out our 3G network by February 2022. Once we do, 3G devices and 4G wireless devices that don’t support HD Voice will no longer work on our network."

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Re: When is Nissan Connect Carwings Going away, i.e., 3G

Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:49 pm

In 2022 we will have a less than three year old Leaf - it will still be under lease. If we lose all remote access I'm going to be angry.
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Re: When is Nissan Connect Carwings Going away, i.e., 3G

Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:34 am

gmcjetpilot wrote:
Mon Oct 12, 2020 5:47 pm
Thank you. Begs the question what is Nissan going to do? And does our 3G support HD voice or does it need to. I guess worst case is Feb 2022 we are done. Nissan is not under any obligation to do anything on a 7 yr old LEAF. At least it was free service while it lasted.

"To bring you faster speeds and new features, we have to evolve America’s best 1 and also fastest 2 network. One change we’re making is phasing out our 3G network by February 2022. Once we do, 3G devices and 4G wireless devices that don’t support HD Voice will no longer work on our network."
"does our 3G support HD voice" -- the answer is it absolutely does not.

"HD Voice" is VoLTE (Voice over LTE) and only applies to 4G/LTE devices. The statement from AT&T is poorly written. Read it as:
(3G devices) and (4G wireless devices that don't support HD voice) will no longer work on our network.
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Re: When is Nissan Connect Carwings Going away, i.e., 3G

Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:46 am

AT&T also says:
Talk and data services won’t work for wireless phones and devices that don’t support at least 4G LTE and HD Voice
So HSPA connectivity will no longer work after the cutoff date
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Re: When is Nissan Connect Carwings Going away, i.e., 3G

Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:05 am

There's been a few threads on this topic (one of them started by me) that have all "come and gone"; at some point we're going to need a sticky because this will be then next big "TCU upgrade" story. One thing I know for sure: all Gen 1 Leafs that required the 2G->3G modem upgrade will require a similar 3G->4G modem upgrade by 2022 (in the US).
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Re: When is Nissan Connect Carwings Going away, i.e., 3G

Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:28 pm

Stanton wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:05 am
There's been a few threads on this topic (one of them started by me) that have all "come and gone"; at some point we're going to need a sticky because this will be then next big "TCU upgrade" story. One thing I know for sure: all Gen 1 Leafs that required the 2G->3G modem upgrade will require a similar 3G->4G modem upgrade by 2022 (in the US).
Seems really unlikely that Nissan will make available an upgraded TCU on older model LEAFs, especially not an affordable one. Their TCU design is stupid anyways...

They should have used an off the shelf daughter card, like those found in cell phones, and provided a SIM card or the option to use your own SIM. Also, they could easily incorporate Wifi connectivity, so that you can choose to connect to your home Wifi or a cell phone hotspot as an alternative to a dedicated 3g or 4g data plan.
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Re: When is Nissan Connect Carwings Going away, i.e., 3G

Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:16 am

alozzy wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:28 pm

Seems really unlikely that Nissan will make available an upgraded TCU on older model LEAFs, especially not an affordable one. Their TCU design is stupid anyways...

They should have used an off the shelf daughter card, like those found in cell phones, and provided a SIM card or the option to use your own SIM. Also, they could easily incorporate Wifi connectivity, so that you can choose to connect to your home Wifi or a cell phone hotspot as an alternative to a dedicated 3g or 4g data plan.
I'm going to stick to the facts, because I'm not sure you understand how the technology works (it's basically IoT/telematics):
1) Their TCU design was good for it's time...and I believe they will offer a 4G upgrade for the Gen 1 Leaf as it will share components/design elements with the Gen 2 Leaf (EVconnect is definitely not going away)
2) WiFi connectivity is a huge security risk, which is why they still don't offer that option even today
3) Even if the TCU/daughter card was easily accessible (and it's not), there would be no way for Nissan to control/enable service compatibility with a user-supplied SIM card; you can't even do that with a phone (without carrier intervention).
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