Edy
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Location: Ensenada, Baja Mexico

Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:51 am

Edy wrote:Hi Everybody:
sorry if this not the correct place for put this trad.

well, here in Ensenada, the speed limit is 25 MPH City And 38 MPH highway, The Weather is around 70F almost all the year (45F the lowest in winter and 95F the highest in summer) and the best most of the terrain are flat, so here it´s very easy drive the leaf over 100 miles every time i recharge it.

my 2012 Leaf is not new i brought it at Salvage Car auction, so the battery pack is around 90% of it´s capacity but 113 miles is my maximum range until today. as i learn more about how drive it i got more miles every time.

thanks to all
Edy
Hi Every one:
yesterday i did something great, drive my Leaf At The Ensenada Bay tourist corridor, is a scenic flat road, at sea level. with the beautiful Pacific ocean with you all the way. my first goal was to hit the turtle for the first time since i has the Car and know how far i can go with one charge, but after more than 6 hours driving at the 40 miles loop. (i did 3 complete loops) and at midday rush hour (Tourism Sunday), and wait for many red stop lights, i decide to go back home Tired and hungry, with very low battery charge warning. at the finish of the experiment, the dashboard cluster give this data:

Weather: between 68 to 72 F
Average Energy Saving: 7.3 Miles/Kwh
Average Speed: 19.3 MPH
Distance: 125.7 miles (202.3 Km)
Elapsed Time: 6:29 hours
Final note: I never met a turtle :(

i had some pictures if is necessary

Regards
Edy
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Edy
Posts: 49
Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:53 pm
Delivery Date: 30 Mar 2014
Leaf Number: 022164
Location: Ensenada, Baja Mexico

Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:38 am

Edy wrote:
Edy wrote:Hi Everybody:
sorry if this not the correct place for put this trad.

well, here in Ensenada, the speed limit is 25 MPH City And 38 MPH highway, The Weather is around 70F almost all the year (45F the lowest in winter and 95F the highest in summer) and the best most of the terrain are flat, so here it´s very easy drive the leaf over 100 miles every time i recharge it.

my 2012 Leaf is not new i brought it at Salvage Car auction, so the battery pack is around 90% of it´s capacity but 113 miles is my maximum range until today. as i learn more about how drive it i got more miles every time.

thanks to all
Edy
Hi Every one:
yesterday i did something great, drive my Leaf At The Ensenada Bay tourist corridor, is a scenic flat road, at sea level. with the beautiful Pacific ocean with you all the way. my first goal was to hit the turtle for the first time since i has the Car and know how far i can go with one charge, but after more than 6 hours driving at the 40 miles loop. (i did 3 complete loops) and at midday rush hour (Tourism Sunday), and wait for many red stop lights, i decide to go back home Tired and hungry, with very low battery charge warning. at the finish of the experiment, the dashboard cluster give this data:

Weather: between 68 to 72 F
Average Energy Saving: 7.3 Miles/Kwh
Average Speed: 19.3 MPH
Distance: 125.7 miles (202.3 Km)
Elapsed Time: 6:29 hours
Final note: I never met a turtle :(

i had some pictures if is necessary

Regards
Edy
want to share this picture with you guys, taken this morning before leave my home.
i know there are many incredulous people in the world, but is not my fault born and live in the paradise of the long distance trip on single charge.
Perfect Weather, flat roads, 25 MPH speed limit, long errands at sea level.
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2002 Toyota Prius Plug in Hybrid 4KW Enginer Kit 108K
2009 Vantage GreenVan NEV 9k (25 miles Range at 25 MPH)
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#12 200 Kms Club

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TonyWilliams
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:54 pm

Edy wrote: Weather: between 68 to 72 F
Average Energy Saving: 7.3 Miles/Kwh
Average Speed: 19.3 MPH
Distance: 125.7 miles (202.3 Km)
Elapsed Time: 6:29 hours
Final note: I never met a turtle :(
Welcome to the 200km Club (and only the 12th to achieve that threshold) !!!

The 300km and 200 Mile Club are still available !!!

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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:04 am

Has anyone done 200 miles yet? I recall leaffan doing 181, but has anyone surpassed it yet?
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TonyWilliams
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:17 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:Has anyone done 200 miles yet? I recall leaffan doing 181, but has anyone surpassed it yet?
Nope. But with the hottest battery (maybe a 122F / 50C day or just DC quick charge repeatedly until the battery is nice and toasty hot) should be over 22kWh usable on a new condition battery (one that can hold 281-284 GID).

Therefore, 200 miles divided by 22kWh = 9.09 miles per kWh (110 wattHours per mile) !!!

Therefore, 321.87km divided by 22kWh = 14.63km per kWh (68 wattHours per km / 6.8kWh per 100 km) !!!

I would recommend the highest level elevation that can be found on the hottest day (for lowest aerodynamic drag) with the hottest battery (for most energy storage) with a new condition battery and about 12-15 mph (19km/h - 24km/h) steady speed (not stopping or slowing, and then accelerating).

Needless to say, no spare weight in the car, no climate control, no headlights, no seat heaters, etc. Tires must be fully inflated.

It will take 13-16 hours to complete this. Bring water and lunch!!! I might also recommend one of those portable coolers so you don't get heat stroke.

NOTE: cars with battery temperature management will likely be more efficient at lower temperatures (77F-90F / 25C-33C), since the system will consume oodles of power trying to cool the battery.

NOTE 2: cars with different weight, motor types (DC, AC synchronous, AC induction), gearing, tires, etc will have different "ideal" speeds. On a Tesla Model S, that speed is about 25mph / 40km/h.

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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:51 am

I had a productive day yesterday.. 106 miles with 35 remaining on the GOM. Sadly it was not my Leaf but rather Tony's RAV :/ Thanks Tony
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Edy
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Joined: Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:53 pm
Delivery Date: 30 Mar 2014
Leaf Number: 022164
Location: Ensenada, Baja Mexico

Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:57 am

TonyWilliams wrote:
Edy wrote: Weather: between 68 to 72 F
Average Energy Saving: 7.3 Miles/Kwh
Average Speed: 19.3 MPH
Distance: 125.7 miles (202.3 Km)
Elapsed Time: 6:29 hours
Final note: I never met a turtle :(
i do my maths homework, and is almost impossible to achieve 300 km.
do it to the age of my Leaf and the 15.3K miles showing today.
i calculate that i had a maximum of 19 kw usable battery capacity.
186.5/19=9.9 M/Kw
i think impossible but i will tried next Sunday and i will drive until hit the turtle.
let you know what's happened down here,
and thanks for give me the credits for the 12th in the 200Km club..

Regards
Edy
Welcome to the 200km Club (and only the 12th to achieve that threshold) !!!

The 300km and 200 Mile Club are still available !!!
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GRA
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:43 pm

TonyWilliams wrote:
DougWantsALeaf wrote:Has anyone done 200 miles yet? I recall leaffan doing 181, but has anyone surpassed it yet?
Nope. But with the hottest battery (maybe a 122F / 50C day or just DC quick charge repeatedly until the battery is nice and toasty hot) should be over 22kWh usable on a new condition battery (one that can hold 281-284 GID).

Therefore, 200 miles divided by 22kWh = 9.09 miles per kWh (110 wattHours per mile) !!!

Therefore, 321.87km divided by 22kWh = 14.63km per kWh (68 wattHours per km / 6.8kWh per 100 km) !!!

I would recommend the highest level elevation that can be found on the hottest day (for lowest aerodynamic drag) with the hottest battery (for most energy storage) with a new condition battery and about 12-15 mph (19km/h - 24km/h) steady speed (not stopping or slowing, and then accelerating).

Needless to say, no spare weight in the car, no climate control, no headlights, no seat heaters, etc. Tires must be fully inflated.

It will take 13-16 hours to complete this. Bring water and lunch!!! I might also recommend one of those portable coolers so you don't get heat stroke.

NOTE: cars with battery temperature management will likely be more efficient at lower temperatures (77F-90F / 25C-33C), since the system will consume oodles of power trying to cool the battery.

NOTE 2: cars with different weight, motor types (DC, AC synchronous, AC induction), gearing, tires, etc will have different "ideal" speeds. On a Tesla Model S, that speed is about 25mph / 40km/h.
Just for reference, first persons I know of to have exceeded 100 miles on a charge, at least in the U.S., were Hiram Percy Maxim and Justus B. Entz, who reached 100 miles (with a bit of charge left) at an average speed of 12.9 mph on November 17, 1899, apparently on a route back and forth between Atlantic City and Philadelphia. This was in a specially made runabout.

Emil Gruenfeldt, who worked for Baker Motor Vehicle Company, achieved 160.8 miles on a charge @ 13.4 mph in 1909, and 201.6 miles @ an average speed of 12.75 mph on Aug. 30, 1910. Someone, possibly Gruenfeldt, achieved 244.1 miles in a standard Baker with Edison NiFe batteries later in 1910, judging by an old Baker ad.

Edited to add info and correct a few dates. Re-edited to correct the corrected dates to the proper century. :oops:
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mctom987
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:50 am

I made it! With room to spare, too!
On the road:
Image

At work where I charge:
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Edit: smaller pictures. 800 wide, instead of 4300… (:
Also, at work I hit the VLB, so the range left read as "---"
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edatoakrun
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Re: 100 Mile Club, plus 200 km, 300 km & NEW 200 Mile Club !

Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:41 pm

Four more 100+ mile trips since my last posting last Spring on p 71.

That makes 22 total 100+ mile-on-an-"100%"-charge trips on my LEAF (not including the multiple 100+ mile trips utilizing net descent) the last eight made after losing capacity bar 12 last August.

To sum it up, still no perceptible loss of range on this mountainous and low-speed route, since I started range/capacity test back in the Summer of 2011, as the increase in vehicle efficiency has continued to very closely offset the loss in available battery capacity.

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5/25/14:
104.4 odometer miles to ~VLBW, 15.1 kWh.

6/15/14:
102.0 odometer miles to ~VLBW, 15.0 kWh.

Those two were (fairly closely) time and temperature matched range tests to gauge changes in efficiency and changes in both nominal (dash, nav screen and CarWings reported) and actual.

Not much change since my tests posted last October:
10/6/13
15.1 kWh, 100.0 miles. (new speed/route/tire pressure standard, 48PSI @ ~70F...

10/26/13
15.3 kWh 103.0 miles. (NSRTP standard re-test)

The last two were maximum range tests. Driving speeds were much slower, and ambient (and the battery pack) temperatures were much hotter than my present test standard.

For the first time since delivery, I took my pack below ~VLBW. I had to do a lot of work on an old logging track to improve it into a LEAF-able route to my home bypassing the ~200 ft. turtle-killer climb that is my driveway.

6/30/14:
109.3 miles to VLBW, 14.9 KWH (at~200 ft higher altitude than start point)
121.0 odometer miles to 10 gids, 16.2 kWh.

7/13/14:
109.2 miles to VLBW, 15.0 KWH (at~200 ft higher altitude than start point).
126.1 miles to turtle (5 gids ), 17.0 kWh.

All miles above are as reported by odometer. Due to tire wear, the odometer was reporting ~0.002 high on these last four tests. I replaced my OE tires last week, at ~28,700 miles, so I'll expect new results for odometer accuracy, and, due to the (noticeable!) increase in rolling resistance a loss of range-for the first time since I got my LEAF, on my next range test.

KWH use is as reported by dash M/kWh, nav screen M/kWh and Carwings, trip (ERS) and daily.

I believe I now have a pretty good estimate of both the actual Wh per reported kWh at this time, and also the actual loss of capacity my pack has experienced since delivery, which I'll post on-topic on another thread.
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