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Re: I loss another battery capacity bar

Sun Jul 08, 2012 4:41 pm

I assume the graphs were at normal temperatures, so they may not apply in this situation. I was just pointing out that there is some tendency to stabilize around 70% for some batteries. I realize that may also not be good enough for LEAF owners, and with good reason. If they do drop below 80% or so before 5 years Nissan has a big problem.

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Re: I loss another battery capacity bar

Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:45 pm

Randy wrote:Although I've read of more than one person whose first symptom is getting 9 bars on an 80% charge. At first it is once in awhile, but then it gets more frequent. A few weeks of that consistently and then they lose the 12th capacity bar...
I've been randomly recording these accounts of "getting 9 bars when charging to 80%":

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 11#p208611" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 80#p205680" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 95#p206595" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 32#p210032" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 84#p211284" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 47#p211347" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 63#p211563" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Many of these are in the "80% overnight charge only gets 9 bars" thread.

We'll see when these people start losing the first capacity bar...

Edit: editting to include this very post, 'cause I started getting 9 bars when charging to 80% recently as well :( . Since June 12, 6 of 18 of my charge events (all to 80%) end with 9 bars.
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Re: I loss another battery capacity bar

Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:41 pm

Well I have lost 3 bars in 3 months. I took it in after I lost the first bar and was told it was normal.
2 weeks later I lost the second bar! I have not lost the third bar last week. Well it is back at the dealer and they are giving me the same BS of normal loss.

3 bars in 3 months does not seem "normal" to me..

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Re: I loss another battery capacity bar

Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:42 pm

NOC8H18 wrote:Well I have lost 3 bars in 3 months. I took it in after I lost the first bar and was told it was normal.
2 weeks later I lost the second bar! I have not lost the third bar last week. Well it is back at the dealer and they are giving me the same BS of normal loss.

3 bars in 3 months does not seem "normal" to me..
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Re: I loss another battery capacity bar

Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:01 pm

NOC8H18 wrote:Well I have lost 3 bars in 3 months. I took it in after I lost the first bar and was told it was normal.
2 weeks later I lost the second bar! I have not lost the third bar last week. Well it is back at the dealer and they are giving me the same BS of normal loss.

3 bars in 3 months does not seem "normal" to me..
I seriously sympathize! We are probably about 2 weeks away from losing our 3rd bar, and know another who has lost the third bar. Our range loss is about 30%. Make sure to call Nissan corporate ASAP. Apparently the dealers aren't alerting Nissan about the complaints themselves (I'm not sure I believe that, but that's the party line right now). Are you in Phoenix? How many miles are on your car? A bunch of us are meeting in Downtown Phoenix tomorrow at the Roosevelt @ 5:30 if you'd like to join us.

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Re: I loss another battery capacity bar

Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:05 am

Thanks for the invite and advice.

I also had my brake module die last year and they had it for 5 weeks trying to fix it. The first one was defective and the 2nd one Nissan sent worked. I really love my Leaf just not Nissan. I really thought Nissan would take care of us generation 1 owners for taking the leap and putting faith into the electric vehicle. I might be pushing them on it being a lemon. Maybe as a group, the threat of a class action lawsuit will get their attention.

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Re: I loss another battery capacity bar

Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:49 am

Here's the story that ran last night on KPHO CBS 5 on LEAF capacity loss. It has both an article and a video at the top.

http://tinyurl.com/c8g9fzj" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Outside of this, we really should "merge" this conversation from this point forward into the other thread that was linked above. Otherwise, we'll all have to start duplicating comments, as a lot of this has been and is being discussed in that huge thread in the Problems section.
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Re: I loss another battery capacity bar

Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:10 am

opossum wrote:Here's the story that ran last night on KPHO CBS 5 on LEAF capacity loss. It has both an article and a video at the top.

http://tinyurl.com/c8g9fzj" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Outside of this, we really should "merge" this conversation from this point forward into the other thread that was linked above. Otherwise, we'll all have to start duplicating comments, as a lot of this has been and is being discussed in that huge thread in the Problems section.
I wouldn't be too quick to draw conclusions from Nissan's lack of responsiveness, big companies don't respond quickly. Some companies have big cultural bureaucracies. Do we really think Nissan will sit by and do nothing about a two year old Leaf that has only 10 miles of range left?
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Re: I loss another battery capacity bar

Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:00 pm

LTLFTcomposite wrote:
opossum wrote:Here's the story that ran last night on KPHO CBS 5 on LEAF capacity loss. It has both an article and a video at the top.

http://tinyurl.com/c8g9fzj" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Outside of this, we really should "merge" this conversation from this point forward into the other thread that was linked above. Otherwise, we'll all have to start duplicating comments, as a lot of this has been and is being discussed in that huge thread in the Problems section.
I wouldn't be too quick to draw conclusions from Nissan's lack of responsiveness, big companies don't respond quickly. Some companies have big cultural bureaucracies. Do we really think Nissan will sit by and do nothing about a two year old Leaf that has only 10 miles of range left?
GM is certainly a company with a big cultural bureaucracy, but Dan Akerson was publicly reassuring owners within a few days of the Volt fire non-issue hitting the mainstream media. At this point, after trying more polite forms of chiding it seems that nothing other than national exposure and/or lawsuits will move Nissan to act.
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Re: I loss another battery capacity bar

Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:08 pm

GRA wrote: GM is certainly a company with a big cultural bureaucracy, but Dan Akerson was publicly reassuring owners within a few days of the Volt fire non-issue hitting the mainstream media. At this point, after trying more polite forms of chiding it seems that nothing other than national exposure and/or lawsuits will move Nissan to act.
not the same thing. GM "knew" there was nothing wrong with the car and the whole thing was nothing more than journalism gone wild. it was nothing more than damage control. they had to mobilize nothing other than a script writer to make their statement... i personally think their response was slow...

Nissan knew what would happen. they had to know. its not an accident that their testing ground is smack dab in the middle of the most affected area.

Nissan has a game plan. a poor one. they are weighing calculated risks with their delay tactics.

as far as a fix? the technology is already proven; provide active temperature control. it aint rocket science. the only thing in the way is logistics. hence the delay...

i think Nissan simply misjudged the time table. they were hoping that early owners in AZ would accept a small loss but the loss ended up coming bigger and faster than they guessed.
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