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Re: Nissan dealerships torturing LEAF batteries

Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:27 am

I think one solution is to ship the car and batteries separately, have the car sit in the hot sun, while the batteries sit in a cool storage of 75F with 50% charge, right in dealership premises. Once a customer has selected a vehicle, install the battery which has been cooling its heels in a cool environment, right at the dealer service station.
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Re: Nissan dealerships torturing LEAF batteries

Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:52 am

dusty2050 wrote:Here is a perfect example... A local dealership has 6 brand new leafs on the lot baking in the 100 plus degree weather in Oklahoma and at almost a full charge!!!!


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What's interesting about this picture is that the center dash display shows "To 80% Charge". To my knowledge, this text only displays if you have the timer set to 80% charge (it'll say "To 100% Charge" otherwise), so it looks like someone overrode the charge timer to get the 11 bar charge.
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Re: Nissan dealerships torturing LEAF batteries

Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:13 am

If Nissan simply changed the default in the vehicle to 80 percent, they could alleviate most of these problems...
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Re: Nissan dealerships torturing LEAF batteries

Mon Aug 13, 2012 10:52 am

TomT wrote:If Nissan simply changed the default in the vehicle to 80 percent, they could alleviate most of these problems...
Or a compromise. They should have done what Tesla does, make 90% charge the default ("Standard") charge. To charge to 100% "Range mode" must be selected, which displays something about battery degradation.

In addition to this, it should be possible for users to change the 90% Standard charge value to 80% or 70%.

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Re: Nissan dealerships torturing LEAF batteries

Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:18 pm

Looks like it was charged to 100% (on an override as you said), then driven 7 miles bringing it down to 11 bars. Probably plugged it in, nothing happened (because of the timer) so they pressed the override button to get it charging.
vrwl wrote:
dusty2050 wrote:Here is a perfect example... A local dealership has 6 brand new leafs on the lot baking in the 100 plus degree weather in Oklahoma and at almost a full charge!!!!


Image
What's interesting about this picture is that the center dash display shows "To 80% Charge". To my knowledge, this text only displays if you have the timer set to 80% charge (it'll say "To 100% Charge" otherwise), so it looks like someone overrode the charge timer to get the 11 bar charge.
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Re: Nissan dealerships torturing LEAF batteries

Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:19 pm

I hope none of you go anywhere near making design decisions at Nissan :roll:

High beams randomly coming on with the heater and air conditioner running? Forcing people to select 100% every time? Using that horrible app 90 minutes before i plan to leave to top off? It would be a blood bath in the press.

Let the user decide once. If they want 80%, thats fine. If they want 100%, thats fine too.

I can't make use of anything less than 100%, and the last thing the car needs is more prompts and more annoying nanny features.
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Re: Nissan dealerships torturing LEAF batteries

Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:44 am

rainnw wrote: I can't make use of anything less than 100%, and the last thing the car needs is more prompts and more annoying nanny features.
I bet you will be complaining bitterly when you have 5% battery degradation and cant make your commute.. you are cutting it too close.

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Re: Nissan dealerships torturing LEAF batteries

Mon Sep 03, 2012 7:38 am

Herm wrote:
rainnw wrote: I can't make use of anything less than 100%, and the last thing the car needs is more prompts and more annoying nanny features.
I bet you will be complaining bitterly when you have 5% battery degradation and cant make your commute.. you are cutting it too close.
use and requirement are not always the same. i frequently feel that 100% is what i need in the morning even if doing only 50 of the 85 miles i have available. it really depends on where i am going and what my itinerary is and what charging options are out there.
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