mark1313 wrote: He said that currently there are 8 Leafs that are getting new batteries in the Phx. area, 2 @ my dealership..
Nissan did make me very happy today and I will write a letter to thank them them for the battery replacement once it is done....
Mark, congrats! I'm glad you're happy and I'm glad they are making it right for you. However, I think we were intentionally misled. Nissan knew this was going to happen, but still made Phoenix a launch market and continues to sell the car here without a hot climate disclaimer.
Below is a quote from a post by Charles Whalen over at gm-volt on 10/4/2010 - almost 3 years ago! It is amazingly prescient:
http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php ... 1#post4364
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Nissan knows and acknowledges that they’re going to have to replace battery packs early, under warranty, in hot climates. (I’ve been in meetings with fleet customers in hot climates where I’ve seen Nissan tell them to expect a 4 to 5 year battery pack life, which is why Nissan is urging them to take the Leaf on a 3-year lease, rather than purchase.) Nissan has done their own financial cost-benefit/trade-off analysis whereby they determined that it will be cheaper for them to replace a few battery packs early, under warranty, in those few hot-climate areas of the country, for those few customers who don’t take the hint to take the Leaf on a 3-year lease rather than purchase, than it would have been for them to design, engineer, develop, and manufacture a sophisticated and relatively expensive active-cooled TMS, especially when most of the country probably won’t need it (as much). (It’s just in really hot climates where the economics strongly favor going with an active-cooled TMS.) For Nissan, it was simply a cold, hard-nosed business decision.
They knew this was coming - hence, the buy backs last year, subsequent capacity warranty, and now replacements.
I'm glad they are giving you and others a replacement, but many of us last year went through a lot of stress and did a lot of work when this started, and at the time Nissan simply told us it was "normal."
We deserve much more honesty, especially as early adopters for such a new type of car.
I also give Nissan credit for acting on this, when legally, in the original paperwork we all signed, don't think they really had to do a thing.
It still leaves a bitter taste and I'm just glad there are more EV choices as when I first joined this party in 2011. No way will I buy or even lease another EV in this climate with the current battery technology without a TMS.