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RegGuheert
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Re: I just loss my 4th bar, could there be a 5th loss bar no

Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:17 am

TickTock wrote:Prior to the update, I was getting between 194-198 gids for a 100% charge. First 100% charge afterwards (this morning) reached 201 gids so it does appear there was a slight increase. Nothing like what I saw last year when they did this. Then, my 100% charge went from 213 gids to 231 (but even then I saw no clear increase in range or capacity).
I'm starting to think they may have updated you to 2013 code last summer. I'll note that TaylorSFGuy gained back some Gids for a while when he got the recent update. Perhaps you already had something similar, so your update this time around was more of a reset. Who knows?
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10K mi. on 041413; 20K mi. (55.7Ah) on 080714; 30K mi. (52.0Ah) on 123015; 40K mi. (49.8Ah) on 020817; 50K mi. (47.2Ah) on 120717; 60K mi. (43.66Ah) on 091918.
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Re: I just loss my 4th bar, could there be a 5th loss bar no

Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:29 am

RegGuheert wrote:
TickTock wrote:Prior to the update, I was getting between 194-198 gids for a 100% charge. First 100% charge afterwards (this morning) reached 201 gids so it does appear there was a slight increase. Nothing like what I saw last year when they did this. Then, my 100% charge went from 213 gids to 231 (but even then I saw no clear increase in range or capacity).
I'm starting to think they may have updated you to 2013 code last summer. I'll note that TaylorSFGuy gained back some Gids for a while when he got the recent update. Perhaps you already had something similar, so your update this time around was more of a reset. Who knows?
I don't think this explains why my SOH dropped so much with the recent update. Also, on the prior, my gids *did* return to the pre-update value. The increase was just a temporary phenomenon cause by resetting. Based on others' experience, I don't think the reset is a necessary part of the update but my dealer seems to like to.

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Re: I just loss my 4th bar, could there be a 5th loss bar no

Thu Jul 11, 2013 1:12 pm

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Re: I just loss my 4th bar, could there be a 5th loss bar no

Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:47 pm

I went to my Nissan dealership today ..The person in charge of getting Leafs fixed was on the phone with another Leaf owner who also loss the 4th bar ..When he got off the phone he looked @ me and said you just loss your 4th bar didn't you. YUP ...
He told me to bring the Leaf in next week and they will run a official test on it first that will last 2 days, after the test is over I pick up the car and they will order me a new battery, he made me very happy.. He said it takes at least a week for a new battery to arrive once it is ordered..
He said that currently there are 8 Leafs that are getting new batteries in the Phx. area, 2 @ my dealership..

Nissan did make me very happy today and I will write a letter to thank them them for the battery replacement once it is done....
Because of what Nissan is doing with the battery replacement, I will trade this Leaf in for a new one next year, if the same battery warranty continues or they change the battery cooling system ..
Thanks Nissan for coming through for us . :D

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Re: I just loss my 4th bar, could there be a 5th loss bar no

Fri Jul 12, 2013 2:00 am

mark1313 wrote: He said that currently there are 8 Leafs that are getting new batteries in the Phx. area, 2 @ my dealership..

Nissan did make me very happy today and I will write a letter to thank them them for the battery replacement once it is done....
Mark, congrats! I'm glad you're happy and I'm glad they are making it right for you. However, I think we were intentionally misled. Nissan knew this was going to happen, but still made Phoenix a launch market and continues to sell the car here without a hot climate disclaimer.

Below is a quote from a post by Charles Whalen over at gm-volt on 10/4/2010 - almost 3 years ago! It is amazingly prescient:

http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php ... 1#post4364" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nissan knows and acknowledges that they’re going to have to replace battery packs early, under warranty, in hot climates. (I’ve been in meetings with fleet customers in hot climates where I’ve seen Nissan tell them to expect a 4 to 5 year battery pack life, which is why Nissan is urging them to take the Leaf on a 3-year lease, rather than purchase.) Nissan has done their own financial cost-benefit/trade-off analysis whereby they determined that it will be cheaper for them to replace a few battery packs early, under warranty, in those few hot-climate areas of the country, for those few customers who don’t take the hint to take the Leaf on a 3-year lease rather than purchase, than it would have been for them to design, engineer, develop, and manufacture a sophisticated and relatively expensive active-cooled TMS, especially when most of the country probably won’t need it (as much). (It’s just in really hot climates where the economics strongly favor going with an active-cooled TMS.) For Nissan, it was simply a cold, hard-nosed business decision.
They knew this was coming - hence, the buy backs last year, subsequent capacity warranty, and now replacements.

I'm glad they are giving you and others a replacement, but many of us last year went through a lot of stress and did a lot of work when this started, and at the time Nissan simply told us it was "normal."

We deserve much more honesty, especially as early adopters for such a new type of car.

I also give Nissan credit for acting on this, when legally, in the original paperwork we all signed, don't think they really had to do a thing.

It still leaves a bitter taste and I'm just glad there are more EV choices as when I first joined this party in 2011. No way will I buy or even lease another EV in this climate with the current battery technology without a TMS.
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Re: I just loss my 4th bar, could there be a 5th loss bar no

Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:28 pm

mark1313 wrote:I went to my Nissan dealership today ..The person in charge of getting Leafs fixed was on the phone with another Leaf owner who also loss the 4th bar ..When he got off the phone he looked @ me and said you just loss your 4th bar didn't you. YUP ...
He told me to bring the Leaf in next week and they will run a official test on it first that will last 2 days, after the test is over I pick up the car and they will order me a new battery, he made me very happy.. He said it takes at least a week for a new battery to arrive once it is ordered..
He said that currently there are 8 Leafs that are getting new batteries in the Phx. area, 2 @ my dealership..
Glad to hear that they are doing the right thing.

Maybe now would be a good time to offer discounts on 24 month leases and quit selling cars in PHX at all.
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Re: I just loss my 4th bar, could there be a 5th loss bar no

Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:21 pm

I took the Leaf in for its pre-battery exchange inspection today.. I was told it was going to take 2 days, so I ask for a rental car, it ended up taking 2 hours :o Im not sure what the battery inspection was for, I guess the minus 4 bars on the dash were not official enough ..

I was told the battery is on order now and it would take a week to 10 days before it arrives @ the dealership.. We figured if the battery gets put in soon enough that I should be good for another exchange in 2 years just before the warranty runs out :D

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Re: I just loss my 4th bar, could there be a 5th loss bar no

Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:22 am

I wonder if they'll be using the redesigned '13 LEAF modules for these replacements rather than the '11-12 LEAF modules? They're supposed to drop on in, and if it's only going to take 10 days to get the pack I must be getting shipped domestically via freight...

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Re: I just loss my 4th bar, could there be a 5th loss bar no

Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:02 am

mark1313 wrote:I went to my Nissan dealership today ..The person in charge of getting Leafs fixed was on the phone with another Leaf owner who also loss the 4th bar ..When he got off the phone he looked @ me and said you just loss your 4th bar didn't you. YUP ...
He told me to bring the Leaf in next week and they will run a official test on it first that will last 2 days, after the test is over I pick up the car and they will order me a new battery, he made me very happy.. He said it takes at least a week for a new battery to arrive once it is ordered..
He said that currently there are 8 Leafs that are getting new batteries in the Phx. area, 2 @ my dealership..
eight?!? one dealer? jeez ... can anyone say liquid cooling next time around?

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Re: I just loss my 4th bar, could there be a 5th loss bar no

Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:03 am

I will be interested if the battery is actually new.

Did you happen to ask what this will cost when you are out of warranty?
1 bar lost at 21,451 miles, 16 months.
2 bar lost at 35,339 miles, 25 months.
LEAF traded at 45,400 miles for a RAV4-EV
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