goldbrick
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:57 am

Given the rebates and credits still available here in CO I can't imagine anyone going down that path if their battery was kaput. Even after selling the old battery (eg for solar backup) it doesn't make sense compared to the cost of a new Leaf after all the credits. I guess that Nissan would rather sell a new car than a replacement battery pack.

awhile
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:38 pm

I just dropped from 10 bars to 9 bars in my 2016 SV on 2019-06-29


From CSV uploaded to DropBox from LeafSpy Pro after nearly full L2 charge on 2019-06-29:

263 GID's
57.5AH
SOH=72.34%
Hx=41.51%
65575 miles
47 QC and 1421 L1/L2 charges.
Capacity at full charge is about 20.5 kWh


Later on the same day I noticed that I was at 9 bars.
LeafSpy Pro screens:

AHr = 57.51
SOH = 72.36%
Hx = 41.55%
65580 miles


Is there an entry in Log_GC300706_190629_3EF59.csv where I can deduce where Leaf dashboard dropped from 10 bars to 9 bars? Not sure why I'm asking, what value would that give me?
2016 Leaf SV purchased 10/2018 with 62k miles. Manufactured 10/2015 with first owner at 8/2016.

cwerdna
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:42 pm

^^^
To confirm, you already had the update at https://insideevs.com/news/338528/updat ... ng-issues/ installed, right?

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awhile
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:00 pm

cwerdna wrote:^^^
To confirm, you already had the update at https://insideevs.com/news/338528/updat ... ng-issues/ installed, right?

Yes, I am assuming so.

I have record from previous owner for work done at Nissan dealership on 08/30/18 that has this entry:

Mileage 61641

PERFORM RECALL
PC630 LEAF 30KW BATTERY NTB18-039
OPEN RECALL
REPROGRAMMED LIBC


CUSTOMER STATES BATTERY LIFE GOES FROM MISSING ONE BAR TO 3
AND KEEPS GOING BACK TO 1. ADVISE
.
REPROGRAM SHOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERN
2016 Leaf SV purchased 10/2018 with 62k miles. Manufactured 10/2015 with first owner at 8/2016.

johnlocke
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:20 pm

July update. 341 GID's 74.63AH SOH=93.90% Hx=80.64% 63796 total mi. 18867 mi on new battery. 17 DCFC and 359 l2 charges on the new battery. The new battery continues to do better than the old one but June was exceptionally cool. The battery is holding up better than I expected. I'm down 6% from new in just over a year and at this rate the car will still meet my needs for a couple more years but I'll still probably sell or trade it in after I hit 100K. My next car is going to need to have at least 50-60 KWH and a 250 mile range or better. If I could get 300 miles of range then I could charge to 80% and drive for 3 days between charges. So far only the Tesla model 3 and a 60 KWH Leaf meet my requirements. Everything else is out of my price league and a $50K Model 3 is a stretch at that. Maybe I can hold out for a VW I.D. or maybe Ford will come up with something. $40-45K would be more comfortable. Given Nissan's treatment of it's customers, I am having a hard time figuring why I'd even lease a new Leaf let alone buy it outright! I had been hoping that I could get an off-lease Model 3 in a couple of years but that doesn't seem to be a possibility now. The other possibility is a Tesla Truck to replace my old Tundra. If it comes in at $50K and seats 5-6, I might be able to do that.
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cwerdna
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:05 pm

johnlocke wrote:July update. 341 GID's 74.63AH SOH=93.90% Hx=80.64% 62347 total mi. 117418 mi on new battery. 17 DCFC and 359 l2 charges on the new battery. The new battery continues to do better than the old one but June was exceptionally cool. The battery is holding up better than I expected. I'm down 6% from new in just over a year and at this rate the car will still meet my needs for a couple more years but I'll still probably sell or trade it in after I hit 100K.
...
My next car is going to need to have at least 50-60 KWH and a 250 mile range or better. If I could get 300 miles of range then I could charge to 80% and drive for 3 days between charges. So far only the Tesla model 3 and a 60 KWH Leaf meet my requirements. Everything else is out of my price league and a $50K Model 3 is a stretch at that. Maybe I can hold out for a VW I.D. or maybe Ford will come up with something. $40-45K would be more comfortable
Is there a typo or extra digit in the 1st line? I'm confused.

I forget, was something wrong w/the Bolt? They are sometimes heavily discounted. Seems like if you could snap one up if/when they hit $11K to $12K off MSRP again combined with $3750 Federal tax credit, that might might your needs. EPA range rating is a bit higher than both Leaf Plus. It's got active thermal management and '19 Bolts let you limit how full to charge the battery to (40 to 100% in 5% increments).

Yes, the front seats are sucky in terms of comfort. Oddly, the rear seats are ok. I sat in the back of one being driven as an Uber/Lyft for about an hour long ago. I also sat in the back for quite awhile to work on my laptop while I was using public L2 charging. (In my family, we've had 3 GM vehicles long ago (model years '78, 80 and 86). All of them had decent to good front seat comfort. They didn't have padding that was inadequate or too hard. Their reliability wasn't very good though. I am the first in my immediate family to give GM another try after we stopped buying their vehicles.)

And, there are other competitors for that sort of range and MSRP (e.g. Niro EV and Kona EV) but with full $7500 Federal tax credit.

$50K 3? They start at $35.4K (off-menu), but now the tax credit is $1875 (https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives).

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:44 am

cwerdna wrote: Is there a typo or extra digit in the 1st line? I'm confused.
Guessing that should be 17k?
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 412 mi, 99.72% SOH
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johnlocke
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:42 pm

cwerdna wrote:
johnlocke wrote:July update. 341 GID's 74.63AH SOH=93.90% Hx=80.64% 62347 total mi. 117418 mi on new battery. 17 DCFC and 359 l2 charges on the new battery. The new battery continues to do better than the old one but June was exceptionally cool. The battery is holding up better than I expected. I'm down 6% from new in just over a year and at this rate the car will still meet my needs for a couple more years but I'll still probably sell or trade it in after I hit 100K.
...
My next car is going to need to have at least 50-60 KWH and a 250 mile range or better. If I could get 300 miles of range then I could charge to 80% and drive for 3 days between charges. So far only the Tesla model 3 and a 60 KWH Leaf meet my requirements. Everything else is out of my price league and a $50K Model 3 is a stretch at that. Maybe I can hold out for a VW I.D. or maybe Ford will come up with something. $40-45K would be more comfortable
Is there a typo or extra digit in the 1st line? I'm confused.

I forget, was something wrong w/the Bolt? They are sometimes heavily discounted. Seems like if you could snap one up if/when they hit $11K to $12K off MSRP again combined with $3750 Federal tax credit, that might might your needs. EPA range rating is a bit higher than both Leaf Plus. It's got active thermal management and '19 Bolts let you limit how full to charge the battery to (40 to 100% in 5% increments).

Yes, the front seats are sucky in terms of comfort. Oddly, the rear seats are ok. I sat in the back of one being driven as an Uber/Lyft for about an hour long ago. I also sat in the back for quite awhile to work on my laptop while I was using public L2 charging. (In my family, we've had 3 GM vehicles long ago (model years '78, 80 and 86). All of them had decent to good front seat comfort. They didn't have padding that was inadequate or too hard. Their reliability wasn't very good though. I am the first in my immediate family to give GM another try after we stopped buying their vehicles.)

And, there are other competitors for that sort of range and MSRP (e.g. Niro EV and Kona EV) but with full $7500 Federal tax credit.

$50K 3? They start at $35.4K (off-menu), but now the tax credit is $1875 (https://www.tesla.com/support/incentives).
Two typos actually, Now corrected. New Bolt could work but I'm not a fan of GM. GM has a style of customer care similar to Nissan. The Kona and the Niro are possibilities but they are so new that there is no way to predict their reliability. The price is appealing but I don't really want to be a guinea pig again. The VW has the same problem but I would count on the Germans getting it right because another failure would likely destroy the company.

A Model 3 starts at $39K unless you want the stripper model. The differences are significant enough that the price is warranted. Add in Paint, Delivery and registration and you are up to $46K. Add either long range or full self driving and you are well over $50K. Model 3 is a couple of classes above the Leaf, NIro,or the Kona so the cost is somewhat justified. It's possible that I might be able to find a used Model 3 in a couple of years or so. That might get me below $30K.
2016 SV, New battery at 45K mi.
Jamul, CA
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DougWantsALeaf
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:05 pm

We tried looking at the Bolt as well, given the modestly higher epa range. Wife thought the seats sucked, and the plastic on the dash looked cheap..so no go on the car. The storage in the back also was less then needed for Costco runs. (One of the few ares where the Leaf beats the competition) .

We like our Plus, sans the new flared front thing. The old design there was better. Otherwise the range is pretty good. I have done 220+ on the highway with 10% (and hidden capacity) left.

In terms of cost, I am with you. The SR+ is really low 40s where the Leaf Plus all said and done is either high 20’s for the S or 30-31K for the SC decked out. 10K is not trivial.

Also everyone forgets that it comes with a Level 2 charge cable, so that saves you another 500 bucks.

Just my 2 cents.

If I was 27 and With fewer children, I would have gone Tesla, but economical conservative middle aged dad went Leaf.
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cwerdna
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:37 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:We tried looking at the Bolt as well, given the modestly higher epa range. Wife thought the seats sucked, and the plastic on the dash looked cheap..so no go on the car. The storage in the back also was less then needed for Costco runs. (One of the few ares where the Leaf beats the competition) .

...
In terms of cost, I am with you. The SR+ is really low 40s where the Leaf Plus all said and done is either high 20’s for the S or 30-31K for the SC decked out. 10K is not trivial.

Also everyone forgets that it comes with a Level 2 charge cable, so that saves you another 500 bucks.
I hear you about the seats and the lousy interior. I mentioned this in a thread on Bolt FB group and was surprised to see a response from a guy w/a Mercedes GLC claiming he basically doesn't find the Bolt's interior objectionable. To me, it's a significant step down even from my '13 Leaf in terms of quality.

Teslas come with a mobile connector: https://www.tesla.com/support/home-char ... -connector. They used to include the NEMA 14-50 adapter but stopped recently. It's only $35 for a NEMA 14-50 adapter to use w/that MC: https://shop.tesla.com/us/en/product/ve ... pters.html.
johnlocke wrote:Bolt could work but I'm not a fan of GM. GM has a style of customer care similar to Nissan.
I'm also no fan of GM for various reasons. We'll have to see about their "customer care". I have yet to deal with them yet for any issues, fortunately.

Reliability has never been a strong point of VW, so I wouldn't count of their EVs to do any better than the rest of their product line.

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