Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:22 pm

GRA wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:33 pm
I've got pay-as-you-drive insurance, which currently costs a bit under $50/month to leave the car sitting parked, plus $0.07/mile up to 250 miles/day, all miles beyond that on the same day being free. Although it's not that much cheaper than the lowest annual mileage (5k IIRR) fixed-rate policy I could have gotten from my old insurance company (CSAA), that 7 cents/mile is enough of an incentive for me to avoid using the car for almost all trips that I can do on my bike with or without combining with transit.
Is that liability only? If so, that's a terrible rate!
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:50 pm

^Agreed. If it is liability only there should be no flat rate, or at most a nominal administration charge (<$5 / month). $50 per month is still pricey even if it includes things like theft and vandalism though - that portion of a fixed-time comprehensive policy is usually less than a quarter of the total premium.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:50 pm

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NissanL ... 633961541/ (initials EA) claims his '16 30 kWh Leaf in Phoenix, AZ has lost its 4th bar. He says the update for incorrect capacity reporting had already been applied.

If we get another, I guess I'll have to start another list.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:18 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:22 pm
GRA wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:33 pm
I've got pay-as-you-drive insurance, which currently costs a bit under $50/month to leave the car sitting parked, plus $0.07/mile up to 250 miles/day, all miles beyond that on the same day being free. Although it's not that much cheaper than the lowest annual mileage (5k IIRR) fixed-rate policy I could have gotten from my old insurance company (CSAA), that 7 cents/mile is enough of an incentive for me to avoid using the car for almost all trips that I can do on my bike with or without combining with transit.
Is that liability only? If so, that's a terrible rate!

Nope, comp, collision, the whole shebang. On a car as old as mine I know it doesn't make financial sense to keep everything, but I prefer to pay more per month and not have to take the one-time hit for major damage, including things like deer and trees falling on the car. I don't think AAA made a dime off me for years on my previous Subaru because I had a low comp deductible.

The original rate was $10/month cheaper (it's actually a daily rate, and varies by the number of days in the billing period) and $0.05/mile, free over 150 miles/day. I'm assuming they changed the 150 to 250 when they realized that most of the weekend getaways in the Bay Area were between 150 and 250 miles radius, and boosted the other rates at the same time last year. I was quite pissed at the time over the 28% jump in the basic rate and the 40% jump in the mileage rate, and let them know it, but have been too lazy to look around, and Metromile is about the only PAYD company that doesn't also want to monitor your driving habits, which is not something I'm comfortable with any company doing.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:02 am

After three weeks of owning our 2016 Leaf SL all cells are now blue when charged as of this morning. At first all were red fully charged then last week some would go blue.

I'm going to have to work more with Leaf Spy Pro to understand the data it provides.

State of Health of the is 65% and it still is showing 9/12 bars like we I purchased it.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:38 am

You should get a new battery in the coming year (at most two) under the 8 year, 100,000 mile capacity warranty.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:43 am

Are the battery warranties transferable?
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:50 am

DougWantsALeaf wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:43 am
Are the battery warranties transferable?
Yes. There is some question about what happens if the annual battery report isn't done, but AFAIK Nissan hasn't denied a replacement for that reason.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:07 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:38 am
You should get a new battery in the coming year (at most two) under the 8 year, 100,000 mile capacity warranty.
That is what the salesman at the Nissan dealership told me but here I have read some just get bad cells replaced. Nissan has stated the battery controller software has to be applied first to see if it will give the missing SOH bars back. Currently my range is about 70 miles max going to until the turtle icon pops up on the display. I expect the software upgrade will fix it from what I have read but if not I guess I will learn what Nissan wants to do. Currently the battery seems to be more stable and I am working to understand how the software patch works before going for that fix. If it does not fix it than I will be pushing for a new battery but they have not been put in new cars for over two years so that could get interesting. Leaf Spy Pro is really helping me learn about EV batteries.

I think the person who had leased the 2016 Leaf for 3 years only used the OEM L1 perhaps based on the 740 recharges averaged out to occur every 30 miles of driving. At first it only reported a range of 72 miles when fully charged. The with deep recharges on the L2 charger it reported as high as 95 miles but that would drop by about 3-4 miles for every actual mile driven. Now a 100% charge shows a range of like 72-84 miles but seems to be without any real meaning. Not sure how it popped to 95 that one time.

The car looks new like inside and out and has the 4 exterior cameras that I need when parking since I have no head movement due to arthritis that fused my spine. I never want to be without an EV in the future. :)

The car has been in service for 38 months and today only has 23,000 miles so I have some coverage for a while. I am getting new tires tomorrow since the OEM's are down to the markers. That is not many miles for Michelin tires in my view but I know the leaf is heavy.

Thanks for the comments because I have a lot to learn and appreciate this website for info.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:26 pm

If your problem was bad cells, you wouldn't be showing a loss of capacity bars - just a huge drop in range as you drive. (Not just the usual self-corrections of the inaccurate range estimator.) You do need to have the software patch applied to get a new battery, but that doesn't usually restore more than one or two bars, IIRC, and your range seems to indicate a genuinely degraded battery.
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