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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:39 pm

No prob. Forgot to include something else from that June 25, 2018 post. Back then he said "We have had it for 18 months of a 3 year lease. "

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:02 pm

Let's hope that isn't predictive of the newer packs...
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:05 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:07 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:38 am
You should get a new battery in the coming year (at most two) under the 8 year, 100,000 mile capacity warranty.
That is what the salesman at the Nissan dealership told me but here I have read some just get bad cells replaced. Nissan has stated the battery controller software has to be applied first to see if it will give the missing SOH bars back. Currently my range is about 70 miles max going to until the turtle icon pops up on the display. I expect the software upgrade will fix it from what I have read but if not I guess I will learn what Nissan wants to do. Currently the battery seems to be more stable and I am working to understand how the software patch works before going for that fix. If it does not fix it than I will be pushing for a new battery but they have not been put in new cars for over two years so that could get interesting. Leaf Spy Pro is really helping me learn about EV batteries.

I think the person who had leased the 2016 Leaf for 3 years only used the OEM L1 perhaps based on the 740 recharges averaged out to occur every 30 miles of driving. At first it only reported a range of 72 miles when fully charged. The with deep recharges on the L2 charger it reported as high as 95 miles but that would drop by about 3-4 miles for every actual mile driven. Now a 100% charge shows a range of like 72-84 miles but seems to be without any real meaning. Not sure how it popped to 95 that one time.

The car looks new like inside and out and has the 4 exterior cameras that I need when parking since I have no head movement due to arthritis that fused my spine. I never want to be without an EV in the future. :)

The car has been in service for 38 months and today only has 23,000 miles so I have some coverage for a while. I am getting new tires tomorrow since the OEM's are down to the markers. That is not many miles for Michelin tires in my view but I know the leaf is heavy.

Thanks for the comments because I have a lot to learn and appreciate this website for info.
The OEM Michelin tires that came on my 2015 and 2019 are the worst passenger car radial tires I have owned. They have marginal wet traction and the ones on the 2015 were bald at about 26,000 miles even though I rotated them a few times. I am considering no rotations on the 2019--just replace them when the fronts are bald and hope for some trade in credit on the rears. Since range may be an issue for you, I recommend the Plus version of Bridgestone Ecopias. The Ecopias have much better wet traction (if inflated to at least 40 psi) and lower rolling resistance than the OEM Michelin Energy Saver A/S.

I suggest that you go ahead with the software update now. It may improve your range slightly or it may not, but it must be done before Nissan will replace the battery or even just weak cells.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL+ purchased 8/10/2019

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:49 am

GerryAZ wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:05 am
GaleHawkins wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:07 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:38 am
You should get a new battery in the coming year (at most two) under the 8 year, 100,000 mile capacity warranty.
That is what the salesman at the Nissan dealership told me but here I have read some just get bad cells replaced. Nissan has stated the battery controller software has to be applied first to see if it will give the missing SOH bars back. Currently my range is about 70 miles max going to until the turtle icon pops up on the display. I expect the software upgrade will fix it from what I have read but if not I guess I will learn what Nissan wants to do. Currently the battery seems to be more stable and I am working to understand how the software patch works before going for that fix. If it does not fix it than I will be pushing for a new battery but they have not been put in new cars for over two years so that could get interesting. Leaf Spy Pro is really helping me learn about EV batteries.

I think the person who had leased the 2016 Leaf for 3 years only used the OEM L1 perhaps based on the 740 recharges averaged out to occur every 30 miles of driving. At first it only reported a range of 72 miles when fully charged. The with deep recharges on the L2 charger it reported as high as 95 miles but that would drop by about 3-4 miles for every actual mile driven. Now a 100% charge shows a range of like 72-84 miles but seems to be without any real meaning. Not sure how it popped to 95 that one time.

The car looks new like inside and out and has the 4 exterior cameras that I need when parking since I have no head movement due to arthritis that fused my spine. I never want to be without an EV in the future. :)

The car has been in service for 38 months and today only has 23,000 miles so I have some coverage for a while. I am getting new tires tomorrow since the OEM's are down to the markers. That is not many miles for Michelin tires in my view but I know the leaf is heavy.

Thanks for the comments because I have a lot to learn and appreciate this website for info.
The OEM Michelin tires that came on my 2015 and 2019 are the worst passenger car radial tires I have owned. They have marginal wet traction and the ones on the 2015 were bald at about 26,000 miles even though I rotated them a few times. I am considering no rotations on the 2019--just replace them when the fronts are bald and hope for some trade in credit on the rears. Since range may be an issue for you, I recommend the Plus version of Bridgestone Ecopias. The Ecopias have much better wet traction (if inflated to at least 40 psi) and lower rolling resistance than the OEM Michelin Energy Saver A/S.

I suggest that you go ahead with the software update now. It may improve your range slightly or it may not, but it must be done before Nissan will replace the battery or even just weak cells.
https://tirereviewsandmore.com/nexen-n ... reviews/

I was taken back when I realized our 23K mile OEM Michelin tires were just a hair from touching the wear markers. Since one tire was losing about 10 PSI a week and winter is upon us in KY I decided to get a new set. The OEM match was $165 each and the Nexen of the same OEM size was $95 and highly recommended by the shop and online as you can read. It came down to more of the same for $660 or try another option for $380 out of the door.

On wet payment it is much harder to spin the new tires at WOT starts. Of course they are a tad taller making them harder to spin. If they get 1/2 of rated tread wear that will be 12K miles better than the OEM Michelin.

I have more research to dig up and learn more about using Leaf Spy Pro in understanding the 30 kWh battery showing 9/12 bars at purchase so it may be Spring before finding a Leaf authorized service center in West TN if it needs to stay overnight for testing. I want to test the range without WOT take offs, heated seats and steering wheel and defrosting front and rear glass and pumping out a lot of heat in defrost mode that triggers the AC to run. I can get 60 miles of range from 233 to 6 GIDs which is about twice what I need before getting back to the house where I have typically 5 hours before the afternoon repeat of the morning run.

This morning I was hoping to get to Paducah for my first DC fast charge but that did not happen. After the dogs finish their morning run I need to try to get over to the shop and get the skin back on the 1948 Model B Allis Chambers tractor so I can get it back to the house soon. Trying to relive the past but buying it with the blown engine has made it more of learning and spending project than I expected. Hope the 9/12 bar Leaf project goes better. At least I am trying to live the EV future and not the past. :)

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:14 am

GerryAZ wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:05 am
The OEM Michelin tires that came on my 2015 and 2019 are the worst passenger car radial tires I have owned. They have marginal wet traction and the ones on the 2015 were bald at about 26,000 miles even though I rotated them a few times.
My 2014 OEM Michelin tires are getting replaced today at almost 60k miles. I've not noticed any wet traction issue.
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Most everything around here is wet during the rainy season. And the rainy season is long.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:21 am

WetEV wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:14 am
GerryAZ wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:05 am
The OEM Michelin tires that came on my 2015 and 2019 are the worst passenger car radial tires I have owned. They have marginal wet traction and the ones on the 2015 were bald at about 26,000 miles even though I rotated them a few times.
My 2014 OEM Michelin tires are getting replaced today at almost 60k miles. I've not noticed any wet traction issue.
They may be better in your cool, wet climate, but the rubber hardens in my hot, dry climate and the sidewalks even start cracking after less than a year.
Gerry
Silver LEAF 2011 SL rear ended (totaled) by in-attentive driver 1/4/2015 at 50,422 miles
Silver LEAF 2015 SL purchased 2/7/2015; traded 8/10/2019 at 82,436 miles
White LEAF 2019 SL+ purchased 8/10/2019

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:57 pm

GerryAZ wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:21 am
WetEV wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:14 am
GerryAZ wrote:
Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:05 am
The OEM Michelin tires that came on my 2015 and 2019 are the worst passenger car radial tires I have owned. They have marginal wet traction and the ones on the 2015 were bald at about 26,000 miles even though I rotated them a few times.
My 2014 OEM Michelin tires are getting replaced today at almost 60k miles. I've not noticed any wet traction issue.
They may be better in your cool, wet climate, but the rubber hardens in my hot, dry climate and the sidewalks even start cracking after less than a year.
It also depends on the road surfaces you drive on and how curvy the roads are. I barely get half the rated mileage out of any tire on any vehicle I own. Windy back country roads take a toll on the tires.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:49 pm

my 2017 leaf sv just lost its first bar yesterday at 28100 miles
2014 S; 33500 miles, returned with 12 bars.
2017 SV; 20000+ miles, sw update 10/8/18, feels like 15 miles range back,.
date miles SOH
10/19/2018 20853 91.50%
10/19/2019 27176 85.26%
11/19/2019 28100 84.74% first bar lost

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:00 pm

amissionleaf wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:49 pm
my 2017 leaf sv just lost its first bar yesterday at 28100 miles
yikes. do you live in a hot climate?

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:55 pm

goldbrick wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:00 pm
amissionleaf wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 2:49 pm
my 2017 leaf sv just lost its first bar yesterday at 28100 miles
yikes. do you live in a hot climate?
not really. in CA bay area
2014 S; 33500 miles, returned with 12 bars.
2017 SV; 20000+ miles, sw update 10/8/18, feels like 15 miles range back,.
date miles SOH
10/19/2018 20853 91.50%
10/19/2019 27176 85.26%
11/19/2019 28100 84.74% first bar lost

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