GaleHawkins
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:30 am

johnlocke wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:46 pm
Mar update. 314 GID's 68.73 AH, SOH=86.47%, Hx=65.70%, 76636 total mi. 31707 mi on new battery. 20 DCFC and 610 l2 charges on the new battery. The battery is continuing to slowly degrade. Even in a cool wet Feb, I still lost 2 more GID's. I'm down about 13.5% from new. 21 months in, the old battery was down to 262 GID's, so the new battery is doing much better. The difference is notable and I expect to hit the 100K warranty limit well before the new battery would qualify for replacement. I'm still still expecting to be down about 25% at 100K. I expect that as the weather warms up deterioration will accelerate again. I'm looking forward to Tesla's battery day announcements. The ID3 is mired in software problems so the ID4 is looking iffy at this point although VW claims that it will ship in 2021. GM is talking big but most of what they're selling at this point is sizzle rather than steak.

On another note, is anyone still interested in my experience with battery deterioration? Should I continue to do these updates or let the thread die?
Your updates are helpful to me. On our new 40 kWh battery the SOH has dropped about 0.30% in the first 25 days of usage cold weather so that may mean like 3-4% per year but it should be years before our range is down to 60 miles on a full charge. By then maybe we can get a used Model Y for $25K. :) Battery Day should be exciting next month. The VW and GM are making progress and I think in 5 years they will be on par with the 2012 Model S or better. A lot of people miss that 2003 was when Tesla started working on EV battery packs and realized the battery packs and charging networks do not happen overnight but make up the tail that wags the EV dog. If Nissan had been into building top of the line battery packs instead of fighting a Japanese/French cultural civil war inside of management team so they could give up their EV head start, oh well that is water under the bridge.

GaleHawkins
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:12 pm

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:03 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:56 pm
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:15 pm


Started the process with a local dealership, and so far it's progressed to the "replacement approved" level. So counting my blessings there. What I posted about how the dealership wanted to keep the car throughout the warranty replacement process was the only thing that caught us off guard.
Keeping the car in the meantime doesn't make sense to me unless you got a loaner.
Right?! So they did offer a rental, but only for 5 days, AND we had to buy insurance coverage for it! But we had no choice, since they didn't tell us this until AFTER they had the car overnight and after Nissan approved the warranty replacement. Taking the car back would've meant going through the process again, and a quick call to one of the other dealerships proved that they would run us through the same process over again. So we let them keep the car and paid for the rental insurance.
Did Nissan get you back your Leaf with a new battery?

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:18 am

GaleHawkins wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:12 pm
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:03 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:56 pm


Keeping the car in the meantime doesn't make sense to me unless you got a loaner.
Right?! So they did offer a rental, but only for 5 days, AND we had to buy insurance coverage for it! But we had no choice, since they didn't tell us this until AFTER they had the car overnight and after Nissan approved the warranty replacement. Taking the car back would've meant going through the process again, and a quick call to one of the other dealerships proved that they would run us through the same process over again. So we let them keep the car and paid for the rental insurance.
Did Nissan get you back your Leaf with a new battery?
the dealership expects to need another week. they extended the rental by 5 more days. just waiting for the replacement battery to arrive from tennesse. the gas and insurance for that rental cost is starting to add up and is super annoying! :(
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:45 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:12 pm
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:03 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:56 pm


Keeping the car in the meantime doesn't make sense to me unless you got a loaner.
Right?! So they did offer a rental, but only for 5 days, AND we had to buy insurance coverage for it! But we had no choice, since they didn't tell us this until AFTER they had the car overnight and after Nissan approved the warranty replacement. Taking the car back would've meant going through the process again, and a quick call to one of the other dealerships proved that they would run us through the same process over again. So we let them keep the car and paid for the rental insurance.
Did Nissan get you back your Leaf with a new battery?
Alrighty! Got the car back today! Despite the invoice showing that the battery was replaced with an identical unit, it's definitely much bigger than the original 30kwh pack!
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GaleHawkins
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:46 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:45 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:12 pm
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:03 pm


Right?! So they did offer a rental, but only for 5 days, AND we had to buy insurance coverage for it! But we had no choice, since they didn't tell us this until AFTER they had the car overnight and after Nissan approved the warranty replacement. Taking the car back would've meant going through the process again, and a quick call to one of the other dealerships proved that they would run us through the same process over again. So we let them keep the car and paid for the rental insurance.
Did Nissan get you back your Leaf with a new battery?
Alrighty! Got the car back today! Despite the invoice showing that the battery was replaced with an identical unit, it's definitely much bigger than the original 30kwh pack!
Awesome news!

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:21 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:45 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:12 pm
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:03 pm


Right?! So they did offer a rental, but only for 5 days, AND we had to buy insurance coverage for it! But we had no choice, since they didn't tell us this until AFTER they had the car overnight and after Nissan approved the warranty replacement. Taking the car back would've meant going through the process again, and a quick call to one of the other dealerships proved that they would run us through the same process over again. So we let them keep the car and paid for the rental insurance.
Did Nissan get you back your Leaf with a new battery?
Alrighty! Got the car back today! Despite the invoice showing that the battery was replaced with an identical unit, it's definitely much bigger than the original 30kwh pack!
Any prices listed?
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 13,705 mi, 93.41% SOH
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Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:32 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:21 am
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:45 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:12 pm


Did Nissan get you back your Leaf with a new battery?
Alrighty! Got the car back today! Despite the invoice showing that the battery was replaced with an identical unit, it's definitely much bigger than the original 30kwh pack!
Any prices listed?
Nope, it shows up as $0.00 or "WARRANTY". The annoying thing is that the battery arrived with only 20% charge, and the tech notes said that they "performed test drive to verify proper function", but didn't have the decency to charge the car!
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GaleHawkins
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:32 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:32 am
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:21 am
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:45 pm


Alrighty! Got the car back today! Despite the invoice showing that the battery was replaced with an identical unit, it's definitely much bigger than the original 30kwh pack!
Any prices listed?
Nope, it shows up as $0.00 or "WARRANTY". The annoying thing is that the battery arrived with only 20% charge, and the tech notes said that they "performed test drive to verify proper function", but didn't have the decency to charge the car!
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This was the battery stated on my service ticket. The above source wants $300 shipping but if it came directly through Nissan I am guessing at the $12,495 list price that I was told over the phone it would be shipped to the dealership without additional shipping charge but then perhaps not. Under Amount it just states: Warranty

Mine was charged to 99% but I told them to make it sure it was charged because I had a 75 mile trip to get home.

Stuff like this and what I went through is why I say if the Ariya ever becomes more than a concept car that it will be DOA at many dealerships because they are fed up with the pain in the butt LEAF EV and only want to kill it off. They do not seem to understand if Nissan does not make the leap to EV's that all of the Nissan dealerships are HISTORY soon or not much later. What is coming out of Korea and perhaps China later is making Nissan slip lower and lower as I see it from my up front face to face experience. At the corporate level all were very helpful but not where the rubber meets the pavement on battery warranty claims. Hopefully things will change.

My 40 kWh in the dead of winter is losing SOH at an 4.5% annual rate and it started out on day one with a SOH of 99.87 thankfully. Do you have the $15 Leaf Spy Pro software to track the health of your battery, etc?

It taking them a month at the division level to decide what to do in my case AFTER they proved I had a valid warranty main battery claim was the RED flag that lead me to learn their corporate decline was worse that the decline of the Leaf's battery SOH .

Thanks for the info you shared.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:28 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:32 am

My 40 kWh in the dead of winter is losing SOH at an 4.5% annual rate and it started out on day one with a SOH of 99.87 thankfully. Do you have the $15 Leaf Spy Pro software to track the health of your battery, etc?
i do, but this is my sister's car, so i didn't have my dongle with me to verify and i don't have any historical data to compare against.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:33 pm

Apr update. 309 GID's 67.61 AH, SOH=85.06%, Hx=62.97%, 77856 total mi. 32927 mi on new battery. 20 DCFC and 635 l2 charges on the new battery. Battery took a big hit last month despite not driving much for the last couple of weeks. It still looks like it will last longer than the 100,000 mile warranty limit but it won't be very capable. I am still looking forward to Tesla's battery day announcements. The ID3 is mired in software problems so the ID4 is looking iffy at this point although VW claims that it will ship in 2021. GM is still talking big but most of what they're selling at this point is sizzle rather than steak. It seems more likely that I'll see the Cybertruck before either GM or Ford get their trucks out. The Model 3 or a Y looks like the best bet right now.
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