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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:32 pm

ac19 wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:24 pm
Hi again.

As far as I was able to find out the leaf in question, it was a Nissan's demonstration vehicle for a while, where potential clients took test drives. This fact could partly explain the accelerated degradation of this battery.😐🙄
If they kept it fully charged when not in use, that would do it.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:42 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:32 pm
ac19 wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:24 pm
Hi again.

As far as I was able to find out the leaf in question, it was a Nissan's demonstration vehicle for a while, where potential clients took test drives. This fact could partly explain the accelerated degradation of this battery.😐🙄
If they kept it fully charged when not in use, that would do it.
Yes, Nissan charged the car overnight at 6.6 kwh, for customers make the test drive in next day. Without the 80% charge limit on the leaf 30kwh the car probably spent many hours with 100% of battery.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:06 pm

ac19 wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:42 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:32 pm
ac19 wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:24 pm
Hi again.

As far as I was able to find out the leaf in question, it was a Nissan's demonstration vehicle for a while, where potential clients took test drives. This fact could partly explain the accelerated degradation of this battery.😐🙄
If they kept it fully charged when not in use, that would do it.
Yes, Nissan charged the car overnight at 6.6 kwh, for customers make the test drive in next day. Without the 80% charge limit on the leaf 30kwh the car probably spent many hours with 100% of battery.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ren ... CN22503J

ac19 this sounds like Nissan is working on a plan so they can stay around long term which is key if we need warranty work down the road.

"The three companies will include the projects in their respective mid-term business plans, the paper said, without saying how it obtained the information.

Among other plans, the automakers intend to share EV motors and batteries, while Nissan and Renault will start building each other’s cars at factories in South America and Russia to boost production efficiency, the paper said."

Not sure what that statement means for the UK and USA TN plants future but as long as they are honoring battery warranty claims where they come from is not a concern perhaps.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:27 pm

GaleHawkins wrote: Among other plans, the automakers intend to share EV motors and batteries, while Nissan and Renault will start building each other’s cars at factories in South America and Russia to boost production efficiency, the paper said."
The bolded part (at other plants) is nothing new.

For example, some Nissan Rogues for the US market came from Renault Samsung Motors in Busan, South Korea (https://web.archive.org/web/20171017001 ... e-du-nord1 and http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/art ... dxno=35429). For awhile, US market Rogues could come from 3 countries: US, South Korea and Japan.

Plans were known for a long time: https://reports.nissan-global.com/EN/?p=12234. You can see Renault badged cars in the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPteNxadh7I which differs from the round logo of Renault Samsung Motors (https://www.renaultsamsungm.com/).

Nissan Micras started to be produced in France long ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onKWN-Oygnw.
ac19 wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:42 pm
Yes, Nissan charged the car overnight at 6.6 kwh, for customers make the test drive in next day. Without the 80% charge limit on the leaf 30kwh the car probably spent many hours with 100% of battery.
Charging rate is measured in kW, not kWh. You mean 6.6 kW?

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:14 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:27 pm
GaleHawkins wrote: Among other plans, the automakers intend to share EV motors and batteries, while Nissan and Renault will start building each other’s cars at factories in South America and Russia to boost production efficiency, the paper said."
The bolded part (at other plants) is nothing new.

For example, some Nissan Rogues for the US market came from Renault Samsung Motors in Busan, South Korea (https://web.archive.org/web/20171017001 ... e-du-nord1 and http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/art ... dxno=35429). For awhile, US market Rogues could come from 3 countries: US, South Korea and Japan.

Plans were known for a long time: https://reports.nissan-global.com/EN/?p=12234. You can see Renault badged cars in the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPteNxadh7I which differs from the round logo of Renault Samsung Motors (https://www.renaultsamsungm.com/).

Nissan Micras started to be produced in France long ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onKWN-Oygnw.
ac19 wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:42 pm
Yes, Nissan charged the car overnight at 6.6 kwh, for customers make the test drive in next day. Without the 80% charge limit on the leaf 30kwh the car probably spent many hours with 100% of battery.
Charging rate is measured in kW, not kWh. You mean 6.6 kW?
https://russiabusinesstoday.com/econo ... -russia/

https://www.automotive-fleet.com/2971 ... -america

Sounds like Nissan is on a tear in central and South America with Russia being a smaller niche perhaps. Time will tell for the Europe and USA markets. It sounds like the Renault and Nissan EV's are going to be similar at the core. That is positive I expect. Labor cost in the UK and USA may be more expensive but with lower shipping cost for those two markets .

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:31 pm

GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:14 pm
https://russiabusinesstoday.com/econo ... -russia/

https://www.automotive-fleet.com/2971 ... -america

Sounds like Nissan is on a tear in central and South America with Russia being a smaller niche perhaps. Time will tell for the Europe and USA markets. It sounds like the Renault and Nissan EV's are going to be similar at the core. That is positive I expect. Labor cost in the UK and USA may be more expensive but with lower shipping cost for those two markets .
Not clear, as i don't follow. Russia and South America are lumped into "others" at https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/IR/RESULTS/2019/, it seems. Russia is broken out at https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/IR/IND ... ALES/2019/ but not South America.

There were rumblings that the Datsun brand may end again (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-auto ... SKBN1X20NE). They'd introduced some low-cost vehicles like the Go and its variants for various less wealthy countries (e.g. India, Russia, Indonesia, etc.) A problem w/low-cost vehicles is low margins and low/no profits.

It looks like Nissan may not longer own any of Avtovaz and it's part of Groupe Renault now: https://group.renault.com/en/news-on-ai ... -on-track/.

Anyway, we should probably continue Nissan and Renault corporate stuff that's not-Leaf related in another thread.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:45 pm

cwerdna wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:31 pm
GaleHawkins wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:14 pm
https://russiabusinesstoday.com/econo ... -russia/

https://www.automotive-fleet.com/2971 ... -america

Sounds like Nissan is on a tear in central and South America with Russia being a smaller niche perhaps. Time will tell for the Europe and USA markets. It sounds like the Renault and Nissan EV's are going to be similar at the core. That is positive I expect. Labor cost in the UK and USA may be more expensive but with lower shipping cost for those two markets .
Not clear, as i don't follow. Russia and South America are lumped into "others" at https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/IR/RESULTS/2019/, it seems. Russia is broken out at https://www.nissan-global.com/EN/IR/IND ... ALES/2019/ but not South America.

There were rumblings that the Datsun brand may end again (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-auto ... SKBN1X20NE). They'd introduced some low-cost vehicles like the Go and its variants for various less wealthy countries (e.g. India, Russia, Indonesia, etc.) A problem w/low-cost vehicles is low margins and low/no profits.

It looks like Nissan may not longer own any of Avtovaz and it's part of Groupe Renault now: https://group.renault.com/en/news-on-ai ... -on-track/.

Anyway, we should probably continue Nissan and Renault corporate stuff that's not-Leaf related in another thread.
Good points.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:31 am

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:08 pm
We're in the SG valley, so it's not "hot" like other parts of SoCal.
Hi Oils4Asphault: I saw your PM, but can't reply bc I don't have enough seniority here. Can you PM me some contact info?

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:18 pm

dean wrote:
Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:31 am
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:08 pm
We're in the SG valley, so it's not "hot" like other parts of SoCal.
Hi Oils4Asphault: I saw your PM, but can't reply bc I don't have enough seniority here. Can you PM me some contact info?

Sorry to everyone else, not sure why seniority on this site is required for replying to PMs.
It may be messages backed up in the inbox. Clearing some out may restore the ability to communicate via PM.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu May 07, 2020 9:36 pm

May update. 310 GID's 67.92 AH, SOH=85.45%, Hx=62.97%, 78576 total mi. 33647 mi on new battery. 21 DCFC and 651 l2 charges on the new battery. Battery actually improved slightly. That's the first time I've seen that happen. It still looks like it will last longer than the 100,000 mile warranty limit but it won't be very capable. I'm looking forward to Tesla's battery day announcements. Sounds as though Elon has some big news. The ID3 is scheduled to debut for sale in June and there are rumors that the ID4 will show up by fall although VW still claims that it will ship in 2021. GM is not going to build any new EV this year and Ford is still at the preliminary stage for the F150 and Mustang EV's. It still seems more likely that I'll see the Cybertruck before either GM or Ford get their trucks out. It appears that a single motor Model 3 or Model Y with the long range battery could be available soon. That would fit my needs quite nicely and be a little cheaper as well. The ID4 remains on the list but would need to come in under $40K before I'd consider it. I keep looking at the Cybertruck as a possible replacement for both the Leaf and my 2005 Tundra but I'm not sure about driving something that large full time.
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