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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu May 07, 2020 10:40 pm

GM is not going to build any new EV this year and Ford is still at the preliminary stage for the F150 and Mustang EV's.
I believe that the Mustang E or whatever it's called is shipping in about three or four months. I don't think the F150 EV is being built yet.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 08, 2020 8:42 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 10:40 pm
GM is not going to build any new EV this year and Ford is still at the preliminary stage for the F150 and Mustang EV's.
I believe that the Mustang E or whatever it's called is shipping in about three or four months. I don't think the F150 EV is being built yet.
The Mustang is being designed by engineers working from home (that's according to FordMoCo). It's not likely to enter pre-production until fall and production maybe by January if there are no snags. If there are problems, it might be second quarter or later.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Fri May 08, 2020 10:23 pm

johnlocke wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 8:42 pm
LeftieBiker wrote:
Thu May 07, 2020 10:40 pm
GM is not going to build any new EV this year and Ford is still at the preliminary stage for the F150 and Mustang EV's.
I believe that the Mustang E or whatever it's called is shipping in about three or four months. I don't think the F150 EV is being built yet.
The Mustang is being designed by engineers working from home (that's according to FordMoCo). It's not likely to enter pre-production until fall and production maybe by January if there are no snags. If there are problems, it might be second quarter or later.
Maybe the production lines are being designed, and bugs may be undergoing eradication, but there are pre-production fully built cars being driven as of several months ago. The car itself is already designed.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat May 09, 2020 1:46 pm

Hi.
Any information about which SOC range HX varies in the 30kwh Leafs with 9 bars?
My first observations with leafspy seem to indicate that HX, in my 30kwh leaf with 71% SOH, only oscillate between 50 and 100% SOC. Below this, it never goes up or down.🙄🙄

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat May 09, 2020 2:01 pm

We haven't found Hx to be a useful measurement for Leaf drivers. I would therefore not worry about what it does.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat May 09, 2020 2:13 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sat May 09, 2020 2:01 pm
We haven't found Hx to be a useful measurement for Leaf drivers. I would therefore not worry about what it does.
As far as I know, HX represents the first indicator of what will happen to AHr and SOH. When HX increases, AHr and SOH increases and vice versa. Its variation seems, in my opinion, a good indicator of what happens to SOH.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:34 pm

June update. 307 GID's 67.18 AH, SOH=84.52%, Hx=62.11%, 79144 total mi. 34215 mi on new battery. 21 DCFC and 665 l2 charges on the new battery. Battery is averaging .7%/mo loss over 23 months. Significantly better than the original battery but still I'll be lucky to get 75000 mi. out of it. That would be driving it down to a 4 bar loss and a sixty mi range. On the other hand, I'm down to driving less than 600 mi/mo with the Covid thing. Still expecting to get something else after I hit 100K. The Model Y is in the lead now but I'd like to have more choices. GM and Ford look to be out of the running (neither has actually started production) and the VW bunch is having big-time software problems and they can't seem to get away from DieselGate which still could cost them billions. I like the ID 4 a lot and the cost with Federal and state incentives could bring the cost down to under $30K which would make it competitive against a Tesla Model 3. I'd also like to see a single motor Y with the larger battery @ $44K or thereabouts. The Koreans could surprise me as well. The Cybertruck is an outside shot but I don't see it showing up until late 2021 or 2022 and I'd have to convince myself that I would want to drive a full size truck all the time. I've done that before and parking is such a pain plus climbing in and out. Maybe if the air suspension automatically lowers itself in park?

Note: I made an error in the reported GID's value which I have corrected. 307 vs 304 as originally reported.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:12 pm

Just started intermittently losing the first bar at 85.4%. Last time this went on for a couple of months before losing it permanently.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:26 pm

July update. 306 GID's 66.81 AH, SOH=84.06%, Hx=61.36%, 79803 total mi. 34874 mi on new battery. 21 DCFC and 685 l2 charges on the new battery. Lower loss rate is likely because I'm driving a lot less. The fist bar has permanently disappeared. It did flicker on and off for several days but it finally disappeared for good. As long as the Covid thing is going on, I'm going to be driving a lot less so the car will last a bit longer then I originally expected but I expect that 100,000 mi. is about the limit of what I can tolerate. I'll be down to 70-75% of the original range and at that point, it becomes difficult to do my usual commute without charging in town somewhere. If don't have to make that commute anymore, then the car will be good up to maybe 120,000 mi. but will be down to 8 bars by then. I had originally hoped that the battery would last 160,000 mi. before needing to be replaced but now I'm on the second battery and it won't make it past 120K. At least the second battery might be good for 70-75K. Too bad I didn't get the 40KWH upgrade.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:29 pm

^^^
Thanks for keeping us up to date.

I'm still enjoying the range and thermal management of my Bolt. I made a trip today to the Taco Bell in Pacifica (by the beach) which is ~55 miles from home, one way almost all highway. Even if my 11 bar '13 Leaf had CHAdeMO, it would've been no fun.

Even though I left home w/about 75% SoC, I had plenty to make it home but I've stopped to get free CCS juice sorta on the way thanks to DrivetheARC (limited part of Nor Cal to Tahoe only). Thermal management kicked on while charging once I was at about 75% SoC.
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