goldbrick
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:19 pm

Are you aware of the 'firmware update' that is available on the 30kWh Leafs? Call a dealer with your VIN to see if that has been done. If not, get it done since it will be required anyway before Nissan honors any warranty claim and it is free.

Personally, I think you have a good chance of getting a new warranty pack but check on the firmware update first. The biggest IF could be Nissan's financial state in a few years.

Does the real world range match the reported SOH? I get over a mile of range per each % of charge as long as it's dry, I'm not using heat and I'm going < 60mph. Just a reference point for comparison.

snapple070
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:11 am

Thanks goldbrick. I can't say for certain the firmware update has been preformed. I'm going to be taking it to the dealer for the 45,000 mile checkup shortly, so I will ask. I want to say it has because the real world comparison is pretty close to what the car's dash and Leafspy tell me. I mean I don't generally let it go under 30% very often, I probably charge at around 50% most of the time.

The only time I ever let the charge get down under 10% is if I'm trying one of my little tests to see how far I can take it. Which I do ever few months. Probably out of boredom. And because I enjoy driving the car. I could probably push it past 100 miles on a charge if I didn't use the freeway as much and didn't use the heat or AC as much. But I figure I want to drive the car as I would any other car so I'm not going to make myself hot and or cold just to inch out a few more miles. I lean more on the hot side as a person so I definitely use the AC in the summer more than the heat in the winter. Which is probably a good thing because the cold sure does zap that range quite a bit.

My buddy actually owns a 2017 Leaf S that he bought new and has half the miles mine does. He doesn't own Leafspy but I'll use mine on his car to give him a reading ever few months to compare. Last we checked his SOH was at 88%. Just the other day he said he waited to charge and he went under 15% and I think he said he had 113 miles on the dash. But as I said he has quite a bit less mileage on his then I do and he doesn't drive on the freeway as much as me. But still the range on his is decent amount better than mine.

SageBrush
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:15 pm

goldbrick wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:19 pm

Does the real world range match the reported SOH? I get over a mile of range per each % of charge as long as it's dry, I'm not using heat and I'm going < 60mph. Just a reference point for comparison.
This is a good, simple test for a LEAF that has about 28 kWh of usable capacity.
Unfortunately I don't think newbs would understand how to modify the test result for a degraded battery
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Bought Jan 2017 from N. California
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr, 28k miles
11/18: 56.16 Ahr, 30k miles
09/20: 54.3 Ahr; 38k miles
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:51 am

awhile wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:27 pm
awhile wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:34 pm
My 2016 Leaf SV dropped from 9 to 8 bars last week. I plan to talk to dealership this week and will provide update on the outcome. 71k miles. I use Leaf Spy Pro.
Dealership checked out battery and confirmed battery due for replacement under warranty. Dealership has no ETA on when Nissan sends out my replacement battery.
My 2016 Leaf SV now has a new 40 kWh battery in it. The car was at dealership for one week - from initial diagnosis, to new battery replacement. I was given a loaner vehicle during that time. The only thing I paid for was tire rotation which was my choice.

Next step is to make sure LeafSpy Pro is configured correctly. I believe I need to manually set to 40 kWh battery (and possibly 2018 instead of 2016?) - so far it appears confused by showing SOC=125% and defaults to 60 kWh battery - not 30 or 40 kWh.

Car was returned to me with battery at 35.1 kWh according to LeafSpy Pro (vehicle dashboard said 92% battery); now at 30.4 kWh after driving 22 miles (vehicle dashboard says 80% battery).

From LeafSpy Pro - not yet confident these numbers are correct:
AHr = 115.27
SOH = 99.85%
Hx = 97.66%
2016 Leaf SV purchased 10/2018 with 62k miles. Manufactured 10/2015 with first owner at 8/2016. New 40 kWh replacement battery installed 9/2020 under warranty.

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:46 am

awhile wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:51 am
awhile wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:27 pm
awhile wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:34 pm
My 2016 Leaf SV dropped from 9 to 8 bars last week. I plan to talk to dealership this week and will provide update on the outcome. 71k miles. I use Leaf Spy Pro.
Dealership checked out battery and confirmed battery due for replacement under warranty. Dealership has no ETA on when Nissan sends out my replacement battery.
My 2016 Leaf SV now has a new 40 kWh battery in it. The car was at dealership for one week - from initial diagnosis, to new battery replacement. I was given a loaner vehicle during that time. The only thing I paid for was tire rotation which was my choice.

Next step is to make sure LeafSpy Pro is configured correctly. I believe I need to manually set to 40 kWh battery (and possibly 2018 instead of 2016?) - so far it appears confused by showing SOC=125% and defaults to 60 kWh battery - not 30 or 40 kWh.

Car was returned to me with battery at 35.1 kWh according to LeafSpy Pro (vehicle dashboard said 92% battery); now at 30.4 kWh after driving 22 miles (vehicle dashboard says 80% battery).

From LeafSpy Pro - not yet confident these numbers are correct:
AHr = 115.27
SOH = 99.85%
Hx = 97.66%
FIVE time LEAFer here and never manually set the battery size so if you do, let us know.As far as LS readings, why would you doubt the readings? The app only parrots back what the car tells it.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 14,342.8 mi, 93.16% SOH
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:53 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:46 am
FIVE time LEAFer here and never manually set the battery size so if you do, let us know.As far as LS readings, why would you doubt the readings? The app only parrots back what the car tells it.
He has a 40kWh battery in a 2016. LeafSpy is likely confused.
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awhile
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:34 am

DaveinOlyWA wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:46 am

FIVE time LEAFer here and never manually set the battery size so if you do, let us know.As far as LS readings, why would you doubt the readings? The app only parrots back what the car tells it.
LeafSpy Pro says this
SOC = 125%
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nnWPQT ... sp=sharing
I doubt that is correct.

Only after I manually update then I get something that looks reasonable. But I'll experiment and let you know. Perhaps I was early in manually overriding 2016 / 30 kWh battery setting. It might eventually figure it out. But I was not satisfied with believing any of the LS numbers when I saw SOC = 125%
2016 Leaf SV purchased 10/2018 with 62k miles. Manufactured 10/2015 with first owner at 8/2016. New 40 kWh replacement battery installed 9/2020 under warranty.

awhile
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:47 am

Besides SOC=125% I had the following when I did not override the battery size in LS:

AHr = 111.41
Hx = 484.19%

That does not look valid.
2016 Leaf SV purchased 10/2018 with 62k miles. Manufactured 10/2015 with first owner at 8/2016. New 40 kWh replacement battery installed 9/2020 under warranty.

DaveinOlyWA
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:10 am

awhile wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:47 am
Besides SOC=125% I had the following when I did not override the battery size in LS:

AHr = 111.41
Hx = 484.19%

That does not look valid.
Yeah, not a LEAF Spy issue. Its the BMS's inability to be promoted from the short bus.
2011 SL; 44,598 mi, 87% SOH. 2013 S; 44,840 mi, 91% SOH. 2016 S30; 29,413 mi, 99% SOH. 2018 S; 25,185 mi, SOH 92.23%. 2019 S Plus; 14,342.8 mi, 93.16% SOH
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GaleHawkins
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:53 pm

awhile wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:51 am
awhile wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:27 pm
awhile wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:34 pm
My 2016 Leaf SV dropped from 9 to 8 bars last week. I plan to talk to dealership this week and will provide update on the outcome. 71k miles. I use Leaf Spy Pro.
Dealership checked out battery and confirmed battery due for replacement under warranty. Dealership has no ETA on when Nissan sends out my replacement battery.
My 2016 Leaf SV now has a new 40 kWh battery in it. The car was at dealership for one week - from initial diagnosis, to new battery replacement. I was given a loaner vehicle during that time. The only thing I paid for was tire rotation which was my choice.

Next step is to make sure LeafSpy Pro is configured correctly. I believe I need to manually set to 40 kWh battery (and possibly 2018 instead of 2016?) - so far it appears confused by showing SOC=125% and defaults to 60 kWh battery - not 30 or 40 kWh.

Car was returned to me with battery at 35.1 kWh according to LeafSpy Pro (vehicle dashboard said 92% battery); now at 30.4 kWh after driving 22 miles (vehicle dashboard says 80% battery).

From LeafSpy Pro - not yet confident these numbers are correct:
AHr = 115.27
SOH = 99.85%
Hx = 97.66%
That is an awesome update.
Thanks

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