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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:35 pm
by DaveinOlyWA
berclese wrote:I too have a 2016 SV (30kWh batt) with 5700 miles and lost the 12th bar last month. Of course, I'm in Arizona and I do charge to 100% in my garage at 6.6, level 2. My GOM range was 110 mi at delivery. Now Leaf Spy says 74.6 mi range. I might be seeing Nissan sooner than later at this rate. Other data: 241 GIDs, SOH= 66%. I cant believe its deteriorated this quickly.

Berc
Build date?
Delivery date?

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:55 am
by berclese
cwerdna wrote:
berclese wrote:I too have a 2016 SV (30kWh batt) with 5700 miles and lost the 12th bar last month. Of course, I'm in Arizona and I do charge to 100% in my garage at 6.6, level 2. My GOM range was 110 mi at delivery. Now Leaf Spy says 74.6 mi range. I might be seeing Nissan sooner than later at this rate. Other data: 241 GIDs, SOH= 66%. I cant believe its deteriorated this quickly.
241 gids on a full charge? Out of curiosity, what are the AHr and Hx values?
AHr = 52.68 Hx = 66.84

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:02 am
by berclese
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
berclese wrote:I too have a 2016 SV (30kWh batt) with 5700 miles and lost the 12th bar last month. Of course, I'm in Arizona and I do charge to 100% in my garage at 6.6, level 2. My GOM range was 110 mi at delivery. Now Leaf Spy says 74.6 mi range. I might be seeing Nissan sooner than later at this rate. Other data: 241 GIDs, SOH= 66%. I cant believe its deteriorated this quickly.

Berc
Build date?
Delivery date?
Build date: 04/16
Delivery date: 09/16

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:34 am
by SageBrush
berclese wrote:
cwerdna wrote:
berclese wrote:I too have a 2016 SV (30kWh batt) with 5700 miles and lost the 12th bar last month. Of course, I'm in Arizona and I do charge to 100% in my garage at 6.6, level 2. My GOM range was 110 mi at delivery. Now Leaf Spy says 74.6 mi range. I might be seeing Nissan sooner than later at this rate. Other data: 241 GIDs, SOH= 66%. I cant believe its deteriorated this quickly.
241 gids on a full charge? Out of curiosity, what are the AHr and Hx values?
AHr = 52.68 Hx = 66.84
And only one bar down, when it should be 3-4 bars and near eligible for replacement.

This just speaks to Nissan shenanigans with the capacity bar thresholds that are nasty even in the context of past behavior.

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:41 am
by powersurge
Man, you don't even know anything about this guy's situation, and immediately you are bashing Nissan. why don't you just tell the guy to have it checked at the dealer... Do you have an ax to grind with Nissan??

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:16 pm
by Oils4AsphaultOnly
berclese wrote:I too have a 2016 SV (30kWh batt) with 5700 miles and lost the 12th bar last month. Of course, I'm in Arizona and I do charge to 100% in my garage at 6.6, level 2. My GOM range was 110 mi at delivery. Now Leaf Spy says 74.6 mi range. I might be seeing Nissan sooner than later at this rate. Other data: 241 GIDs, SOH= 66%. I cant believe its deteriorated this quickly.

Build date: 04/16
Delivery date: 09/16
So you're about due for the battery checkup. Will you keep us informed on how it goes?

I guess I'm lucky to have not experienced your level of degradation, but am really worried about what values the battery bars correspond to?! That warranty of 4 bars in 8y/100k miles might be worthless for me if 60% SOH doesn't trigger a 4th bar loss! :(

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:12 pm
by johnlocke
jhm614 wrote:
johnlocke wrote:It took Nissan 5 years and a lawsuit to admit that there even was a problem. Nissan certainly had more data than we did on battery conditions and failure rates but they stalled for as long as possible before admitting there was any problem. It would appear that Nissan knew that there might be a problem with the 30KWH battery.
One correction - it took Nissan 2 years to respond. I know, because they replaced my 2011 battery in 2013.
Lawsuit didn't get settled until 2015. Nissan was responding to failures on a case by case basis before that and you were at the mercy of nissan's "Good Will" policy. Some people got their battery replaced without any problem but others had to go to arbitration or the BBB for satisfaction. Go back and read the posts from then.

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:20 pm
by jhm614
johnlocke wrote:Lawsuit didn't get settled until 2015. Nissan was responding to failures on a case by case basis before that and you were at the mercy of nissan's "Good Will" policy. Some people got their battery replaced without any problem but others had to go to arbitration or the BBB for satisfaction. Go back and read the posts from then.
Nissan sent all 2011 and 2012 owners a revised warranty via US snail mail in the summer of 2013. That is what launched the 5 year / 60,000-mile warranty. As far as I know, no one was refused replacement if you met the terms of the warranty. The 'good will' policy didn't kick in until the warranty expired for the 2011 owners (and for the 2012 owners whose warranties are expiring this year).

In general, I'm not disagreeing with you but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that Nissan stepped up with warranty way before the lawsuit was settled and they honored the terms of that warranty way before the lawsuit was settled. And since the warranty has expired, they have extended good will to folks. Now, I think we all agree that we'd rather see a prorated out of warranty policy that applied to everyone equally but it's not like Nissan sat on their hands until that suit was settled and it's not like owners had to depend on good will if you lost 4 bars before 2016.

I'm not saying that Nissan did it out of the goodness of their heart. If it hadn't been for Tony Williams and the AZ owners, Nissan might not have done anything. But Nissan did respond - the Warranty, getting EVChels involved, the LAB - lots of another giant, foreign companies would not have done that before the lawsuit was settled.

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:54 pm
by ebeighe
I have a new 2017 Leaf S delivered 7/27/2017; [edit: added build date, 04/2017 ]
The battery numbers from Leafspy seem to be dropping significantly/quickly!?
Arizona. So it's hot here obviously. Also something that hadn't really occured to me until afterward, but it's parked in the garage which stays maybe no cooler than 90 degrees all summer.
The battery temp bars stays at 7 almost all the time; it goes to 8 once in awhile, and it dropped to 6 once when it was rainy/cloudy for a day...

Here's what leafspy said/says:

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07/29/2017
odo 115	
Ahr 81.92
SOH 100%
Hx 98.05

9/9/2017
odo 1106
Ahr 76.05
SOH 95%
Hx 91.08

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:54 pm
by LeftieBiker
IF you can find a way to keep the pack cooler, that pack will last longer. I realize it may not be possible.