outerspaceguy
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:19 am

Indeed! I have *never* quickcharged Auri (the name of my Leaf). I typically only charge about 1-2 times per week (based upon my limited usage), and I have never charged Auri when she was above 80% already charged. At work, she sits in a covered parking spot, and at home, she sits in the garage.

gillmj24
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Dec 26, 2020 1:32 pm

gillmj24 wrote:
Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:56 am
Thanks good to know. Is the battery warranty 8 years, so assuming it was originally purchased some time in 2016 at the earliest, I would have at least until 2024? Didn't pull the trigger just yet, so I might lose it. Someone bought it and then likely returned it in their 7 day window.
Just an update, I let the Carvana car go and am scheduled to pick up a 2 year lease 2020 SV on Monday. I'll post on the new owner thread afterwards assuming I didn't just jinx myself.

fergy126
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Leaf Number: 306452
Location: Augusta, GA

Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:29 pm

fergy126 wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:00 pm
fergy126 wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:35 pm
fergy126 wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:15 pm
Thank you all for your input, I have scheduled my Warranty appointment for this weekend.
Warranty replacement was approved, waiting on the battery to arrive at the dealership. I was told it would arrive in the middle of next week.
Received a call today that "batteries are on back-order" and would receive a shipment update around the 30th of December. The wait continues.

Meanwhile with the cold temps (35-45 degF) have made completing my commute (45 mi) a struggle, I think I will have to drive my ICE vehicle until the replacement is completed.
My warranty replacement was completed last Wednesday (12/23). I received a 40kwh battery with a SOH of 99 and 12 bars. I haven't charged to 100% yet haven't needed the extra range. VERY happy with the new life of the vehicle. The invoice was a little above $13,000 they wouldn't give me a copy but glad it was $0 out of pocket for me. Now I need to determine the proper techniques to maintaing the life of the new battery.

LeftieBiker
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:35 pm

Try to keep the charge below 80% unless you need the full range, don't charge when you see 7 or more temp bars on the dash, and try to never let it sit at 100% charge for more than a few hours - especially in Summer.
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outerspaceguy
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Dec 26, 2020 5:00 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:35 pm
Try to keep the charge below 80% unless you need the full range, don't charge when you see 7 or more temp bars on the dash, and try to never let it sit at 100% charge for more than a few hours - especially in Summer.
You sir clearly do not live in the desert :)

This time of the year (the coldest), in the morning (the coldest part of the day), I think the car starts with 4-5 temps bars on the dash.

I've never gone into the red temp bars, but I have gone to the one just below the red. Just in normal Phoenix summer driving.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:08 pm

I wasn't trying to tailor my advice to your case, but I can: charge only very late at night or in the morning, and never to 100% unless you will be driving away within and hour or two of the charge finishing. Park the car in shade when it isn't garaged at night. If the garage gets hot at night, park the car outside after sunset. If no garage and the car is ever home in the daytime, I suggest a carport - preferably on the North side of your dwelling.
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outerspaceguy
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:20 pm

LeftieBiker wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 7:08 pm
If the garage gets hot at night, park the car outside after sunset.
I do all of that. In the summertime, I charge between 11pm and 5am (on days when I need to charge). BUT- In the summertime in Phoenix, the lows can easily be in the 90s at night (the average low temp is 84, which is the temp immediately before sunrise at 4-something-ish AM).

So, outside vs inside-the-garage is not really much of a difference (from an overnight perspective, since the House is A/C cooled but the garage is not).

And in winter: I get the snowflake-it-is-cold-outside icon to show on my morning dash.... maybe once per year. Sometimes twice: only If there is a big arctic blast. :)

Oils4AsphaultOnly
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:18 pm

fergy126 wrote:
Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:29 pm
fergy126 wrote:
Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:00 pm
fergy126 wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:35 pm


Warranty replacement was approved, waiting on the battery to arrive at the dealership. I was told it would arrive in the middle of next week.
Received a call today that "batteries are on back-order" and would receive a shipment update around the 30th of December. The wait continues.

Meanwhile with the cold temps (35-45 degF) have made completing my commute (45 mi) a struggle, I think I will have to drive my ICE vehicle until the replacement is completed.
My warranty replacement was completed last Wednesday (12/23). I received a 40kwh battery with a SOH of 99 and 12 bars. I haven't charged to 100% yet haven't needed the extra range. VERY happy with the new life of the vehicle. The invoice was a little above $13,000 they wouldn't give me a copy but glad it was $0 out of pocket for me. Now I need to determine the proper techniques to maintaing the life of the new battery.
You're in GA, so everything that Leftie wrote and park in the shade should be enough. Basically, avoid heat and avoid staying fully charged when possible. sometimes life throws curveballs at you, in which case don't sweat it. You should be able to get many miles out of it before you need another new battery and by then even bigger ones would be available. Battery recycling companies are sprouting all over, so the ecological damage of "discarding" your old batteries would be significantly reduced.
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RaleighEV
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:31 am

Hi. this is just my third post since 2015 but I have spent several hours over the years reading other people's posts. Thanks for sharing your info and knowledge. Especially LefieBiker, cwerdna and DaveinOlyWA (and all the people who have given great advice over the years).

I currently have a 2017 Leaf SV with about 31k miles. I am down 2 bars on the battery. Leaf Spy stats - AHr=60.28 / SOH=75.84% / 2QCs & 1097 L1-L2s. I just scheduled my 3rd battery report which was probably due in Aug since that is the month I purchased the new car. The car is garage kept. I live in NC and trickle charge. The car has the updated firmware. I leased a 2014 for 3 years and didn't lose a bar so I didn't baby my 2017. With Covid, we have not driven it much this year.

My questions:
Will the battery report rat me out for occasionally charging to 100% and not driving it that day?
Could that affect the warranty?
Should I baby the battery now (not charge to 100%) or "keep up the good work" and expect a warranty replacement in the future?

Thanks
'17 silver Leaf SV w/premium package (own)
'14 red Leaf SV w/premium package (lease over, car returned. Great car.)

LeftieBiker
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Wed Dec 30, 2020 1:03 pm

The battery report should be fine. There is no warranty law against leaving the car at 100% charge, only against getting it too hot.
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