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First wash - (small) paint blems and (potential) rust traps.

Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:35 pm

I've always been a huge believer in washing my own vehicles. Not only do I find it therapeutic, it allows you time to pour over every inch of your vehicle, looking for potential maintenance problems down the road.

So today was the first wash for the LEAF and I found a couple of things.

The first thing I found was a small number of pin-head sized blemishes in my paint that I didn't notice on delivery. Now I'm not the first person to report paint problems with their new LEAF (though I am the first to report them publicly), and these are not massive. But they are somewhat annoying, and I guess I'm reporting them here now so that, should they become a bigger problem on that panel down the road, it's out there that this is how the problem started. This is on the rear hatch just below the rear window on the passenger side. Quite possibly something (solvent maybe) under the paint surface that has now come to the top and "popped".

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The other thing I noticed is something we don't so much have to be concerned about in this neck of the woods, but could be a huge problem for those of you in more inclement areas down the road - there is an area just in front of the rear wheels that is going to be a magnet for mud and/or road salt that you are going to have to put extra effort into keeping clean. Otherwise (and this comes of many years of dealing with rust issues on British cars), I can virtually guarantee that area is going to rust out on you before the serviceable life of the vehicle has passed:

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Re: First wash - (small) paint blems and (potential) rust traps.

Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:43 pm

oh no! That first scratch/ding/imperfection in the paint is the hardest. I'm dreading when I find my first one. I don't wash my own cars. Do you think that bringing the Leaf to a regular car wash will be ok?
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Re: First wash - (small) paint blems and (potential) rust traps.

Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:48 pm

malloryk wrote:oh no! That first scratch/ding/imperfection in the paint is the hardest. I'm dreading when I find my first one. I don't wash my own cars. Do you think that bringing the Leaf to a regular car wash will be ok?
I'm sure that would be fine. Just not something I do myself. HeeHee....even stole some of our "good" towels and relegated them to "shop towel" status (shhh....don't tell the wife!).
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Re: First wash - (small) paint blems and (potential) rust traps.

Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:55 pm

malloryk wrote:................. I don't wash my own cars. Do you think that bringing the Leaf to a regular car wash will be ok?
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Brushless car wash would be fine. I used to take my cars to the cheapy car washes with brushes swirling. Tons of surface scratches and swirl marks appeared over time :cry:
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Re: First wash - (small) paint blems and (potential) rust traps.

Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:00 pm

Or you can follow my method. Don't wash more than once a year ;)

ps : There was a thread earlier about the pollution washing cars can cause. Check it out.
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Re: First wash - (small) paint blems and (potential) rust traps.

Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:03 pm

evnow wrote:Or you can follow my method. Don't wash more than once a year ;)

ps : There was a thread earlier about the pollution washing cars can cause. Check it out.
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Re: First wash - (small) paint blems and (potential) rust traps.

Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:05 pm

I don't feel bad for washing my own cars - I can get 2 done out of one bucket of water and one measure of the car washing soap.
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Re: First wash - (small) paint blems and (potential) rust traps.

Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:12 pm

mwalsh to me they look like paint droplet or heavier paint right? If so they are not a big issue but suck to find on the car will cause more of a problem is the door gets repainted.
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Re: First wash - (small) paint blems and (potential) rust traps.

Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:21 pm

Gonewild wrote:mwalsh to me they look like paint droplet or heavier paint right? If so they are not a big issue but suck to find on the car will cause more of a problem is the door gets repainted.
It's more of a crater, but not a fisheye, where the paint wouldn't be broken. They are almost like rock chips, but obviously not because they're too uniform and in places rocks couldn't possibly hit.
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Re: First wash - (small) paint blems and (potential) rust traps.

Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:31 pm

I am with MWalsh, washing your own car is a "bonding" experience. Besides, I was a professional auto detailer in my teens and have never really kicked the habit. Are those tiny "fisheyes". If so, then yes indeed this was an improperly cleaned body panel prior to painting. Make Nissan aware of it asap as the trunk should be one of the least areas prone to rock chips. Is it to the primer or down to the body panel? Another possibility (but unlikely) is if they sealed the paint too soon. A new car needs 90 days to bake off the solvents in their paint before being sealed with wax. Usually this mistake presents itself as haze/discoloration in the paint though. A car built in Nov should not be sealed until Feb IMHO.

Also, a pinhole in the primer could to this... but I think it would have been noticed by Nissan or you during delivery. Strange.
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