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Re: 2015 "lizard" and 2016 24 kWh S battery capacity bar losers

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:45 pm
by LeftieBiker
Let's hope that the 40kwh pack doesn't use the same chemistry as the 30kwh pack. That would make us all miserable eventually, and ruin Nissan as a viable manufacturer of EVs.

Re: 2015 "lizard" and 2016 24 kWh S battery capacity bar losers

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:02 am
by although
I've had my 2015 S model since June of 2015. After 2.5 years and 45K miles, I've still got 12 bars, and no range complaints.

I suspect that east Tennessee has a fairly favorable climate for battery life. I'm not complaining :)

mike

Re: 2015 "lizard" and 2016 24 kWh S battery capacity bar losers

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:33 am
by DaveinOlyWA
LeftieBiker wrote:Let's hope that the 40kwh pack doesn't use the same chemistry as the 30kwh pack. That would make us all miserable eventually, and ruin Nissan as a viable manufacturer of EVs.
The 40 kwh pack "can't" use the same chemistry. It would be bigger and its not. They saved some space by redesigning the packaging but not that much space.

Re: 2015 "lizard" and 2016 24 kWh S battery capacity bar losers

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:15 pm
by cwerdna
Relayer1956 wrote:I own a 2015 SL and I've already lost 2 bars and I'm expecting the third to drop any time now.

I just posted my 100% charge statistics (see post below).
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 50#p507333
Relayer1956 at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 54#p517554 has reported losing his 3rd bar on 1/27/18.

Re: 2015 "lizard" and 2016 24 kWh S battery capacity bar losers

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:47 pm
by RegGuheert
DaveinOlyWA wrote:
LeftieBiker wrote:Let's hope that the 40kwh pack doesn't use the same chemistry as the 30kwh pack. That would make us all miserable eventually, and ruin Nissan as a viable manufacturer of EVs.
The 40 kwh pack "can't" use the same chemistry. It would be bigger and its not. They saved some space by redesigning the packaging but not that much space.
True enough, but I assume LeftieBiker means that they are both NMC and probably from the same cathode supplier.

In any case, I agree with his concern. If they packed in more capacity by moving from 622 NMC to 811 NMC and/or eliminated separator layers, then degradation with the 40-kWh battery will almost certainly be worse than we are seeing with the 30-kWh units.

OTOH, iit seems like you were experiencing about the lowest degradation rate of anyone with a 30-kWh LEAF, so perhaps that would not be a big deal for you. I also feel that the move to NMC 811 is important because it significantly reduces the amount of cobalt in these batteries.

Re: 2015 "lizard" and 2016 24 kWh S battery capacity bar losers

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:53 pm
by gncndad
Purchased 2015 S, with 6800 miles, for $14.9k, in Feb, 2016.

Now at 22k miles (2 years ownership), just dropped to 11 bars. Fort Worth, Texas, used daily for short commute (20miles r/t), and local errands, dropping to GOM 40-45miles, level 1 charging nightly to 100% capacity...virtually every day for 2 years. We continually charge it to 100% every day.

Electricity costs us $.07/KWH, wind power sourced, "fuel" cost is around $.02/mile. Only expense in 24 months has been a pair of wiper blades. It will need tires in another 4-5k miles, local driving seems to wear them out faster than I might have wanted.

It's an amazing utility vehicle, like it very much. I'll leave it up to others here to tell me if I'm losing my shirt or doing just fine...I couldn't be happier! :D

Re: 2015 "lizard" and 2016 24 kWh S battery capacity bar losers

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:59 pm
by cmwade77
gncndad wrote:Purchased 2015 S, with 6800 miles, for $14.9k, in Feb, 2016.

Now at 22k miles (2 years ownership), just dropped to 11 bars. Fort Worth, Texas, used daily for short commute (20miles r/t), and local errands, dropping to GOM 40-45miles, level 1 charging nightly to 100% capacity...virtually every day for 2 years. We continually charge it to 100% every day.

Electricity costs us $.07/KWH, wind power sourced, "fuel" cost is around $.02/mile. Only expense in 24 months has been a pair of wiper blades. It will need tires in another 4-5k miles, local driving seems to wear them out faster than I might have wanted.

It's an amazing utility vehicle, like it very much. I'll leave it up to others here to tell me if I'm losing my shirt or doing just fine...I couldn't be happier! :D
Yikes, that seems like an extremely low range for 11 bars.

Re: 2015 "lizard" and 2016 24 kWh S battery capacity bar losers

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:08 pm
by GerryAZ
gncndad wrote:Purchased 2015 S, with 6800 miles, for $14.9k, in Feb, 2016.

Now at 22k miles (2 years ownership), just dropped to 11 bars. Fort Worth, Texas, used daily for short commute (20miles r/t), and local errands, dropping to GOM 40-45miles, level 1 charging nightly to 100% capacity...virtually every day for 2 years. We continually charge it to 100% every day.

Electricity costs us $.07/KWH, wind power sourced, "fuel" cost is around $.02/mile. Only expense in 24 months has been a pair of wiper blades. It will need tires in another 4-5k miles, local driving seems to wear them out faster than I might have wanted.

It's an amazing utility vehicle, like it very much. I'll leave it up to others here to tell me if I'm losing my shirt or doing just fine...I couldn't be happier! :D
If it was new in February 2016, the dealer probably kept it fully charged while sitting on the lot. Don't worry about the capacity bar drop as long as the car meets your daily driving needs. Since your annual mileage is low, there is a slight possibility that you will lose enough capacity to qualify for a new battery by the 60 month warranty expiration. If not, you are probably saving enough on fuel and maintenance to pay for a new battery when the range no longer meets your needs. My 2015 did not sit on a lot (manufactured 1/2015 and purchased 2/7/2015) so it might be better than cars that spend some time in inventory, but it still has 10 capacity bars at a little over 55,000 miles in Phoenix.

Re: 2015 "lizard" and 2016 24 kWh S battery capacity bar losers

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:05 pm
by gncndad
GerryAZ wrote:
gncndad wrote:Purchased 2015 S, with 6800 miles, for $14.9k, in Feb, 2016.

Now at 22k miles (2 years ownership), just dropped to 11 bars. Fort Worth, Texas, used daily for short commute (20miles r/t), and local errands, dropping to GOM 40-45miles, level 1 charging nightly to 100% capacity...virtually every day for 2 years. We continually charge it to 100% every day.

Electricity costs us $.07/KWH, wind power sourced, "fuel" cost is around $.02/mile. Only expense in 24 months has been a pair of wiper blades. It will need tires in another 4-5k miles, local driving seems to wear them out faster than I might have wanted.

It's an amazing utility vehicle, like it very much. I'll leave it up to others here to tell me if I'm losing my shirt or doing just fine...I couldn't be happier! :D
If it was new in February 2016, the dealer probably kept it fully charged while sitting on the lot. Don't worry about the capacity bar drop as long as the car meets your daily driving needs. Since your annual mileage is low, there is a slight possibility that you will lose enough capacity to qualify for a new battery by the 60 month warranty expiration. If not, you are probably saving enough on fuel and maintenance to pay for a new battery when the range no longer meets your needs. My 2015 did not sit on a lot (manufactured 1/2015 and purchased 2/7/2015) so it might be better than cars that spend some time in inventory, but it still has 10 capacity bars at a little over 55,000 miles in Phoenix.
It was used, had 6800 miles on the odo.
I have zero disappointment nor apprehension about this car. 22k miles, long, blazing summer heat, is fine by me. at $.02/mile, it's a bargain.

Re: 2015 "lizard" and 2016 24 kWh S battery capacity bar losers

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:23 pm
by cwerdna
This is the 1st 4 bar loser '15 I've heard of, from http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 70#p519070, in case the post gets deleted
Icanmakeit wrote: I have a 2015 leaf S model . Grey in color with standart options including quick charge. in good shape no accidents or damage. Great Car.
85,000 miles 8 bars on battery. I'm in SOCAL.
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Im in Orange county Ca.