iamchemist
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T/M System Malfunction

Thu Dec 06, 2018 9:48 am

I went to start my 2015 LEAF SL a few days ago and got the error message "T/M System Malfunction". The car would not start or allow me to put in into gear.

I feared that there was something major wrong with the transmission.

Thanks to this forum I leaned that this message is often seen, when the 12 V battery voltage is low, which usually happens when the battery is failing.

Sure enough, my battery (only 3 years old and lives in a mild climate) was only charged to 8.3 volts, which is apparently low enough to totally confuse the computer systems in the car and produce a bogus error message.. Removing the battery, charging it up to 12 volts, and replacing it allowed the car to start normally. Replacing the battery with a new one appears to have completely fixed the problem.

Note that this all happened, while I waited for Nissan Service to call me back. They finally did call back about 8 hours after I had called and requested a call back. The initial Nissan Service person that I talked to suggested that I might be able to jump start the car. This is typical of the things I hear from Nissan Service about my LEAF.

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Re: T/M System Malfunction

Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:44 am

Which is why this forum is worth it's weight in whatever you value the most. :D
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Re: T/M System Malfunction

Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:05 pm

iamchemist wrote:Sure enough, my battery (only 3 years old and lives in a mild climate) was only charged to 8.3 volts, which is apparently low enough to totally confuse the computer systems in the car and produce a bogus error message..
Yeah; bummer. See, most microcomputer systems need something like 3.3V to operate, and while it may someday be possible to derive 3.3V from a raw supply that's fallen from 12V to 8V, it's not reasonable to expect Nissan to pull a miracle like that off just now. And besides; those computers probably need a dozen milliamperes or more to run; not the sort of punch that you could reasonably expect from a battery that's only intended to crank a starter motor. Well, maybe you can when it's in tip-top condition, but not one that's been kept on a starvation diet for a few years. Some might wonder whether, on its way down from 12V to 8V, the system computer could find twenty microseconds to record a trouble code signifying, "hey! my misapplied battery's toast!". Dreamers.

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Re: T/M System Malfunction

Thu Dec 06, 2018 7:17 pm

Levenkay wrote: Yeah; bummer. See, most microcomputer systems need something like 3.3V to operate, and while it may someday be possible to derive 3.3V from a raw supply that's fallen from 12V to 8V, it's not reasonable to expect Nissan to pull a miracle like that off just now. And besides; those computers probably need a dozen milliamperes or more to run; not the sort of punch that you could reasonably expect from a battery that's only intended to crank a starter motor. Well, maybe you can when it's in tip-top condition, but not one that's been kept on a starvation diet for a few years. Some might wonder whether, on its way down from 12V to 8V, the system computer could find twenty microseconds to record a trouble code signifying, "hey! my misapplied battery's toast!". Dreamers.
That post is sarcastic gold. Thanks for making my day.

Add to it: It's also a shame that there's no way to remove the 12v battery entirely. If only there were a large battery of sufficient power, we could avoid the lead acid one entirely...
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Re: T/M System Malfunction

Mon Sep 07, 2020 4:59 am

Thank you folks - this appears to be our issue: Complete electric dashboard meltdown/freakout!
We initially saw this when rescuing our daughter with a flat tire. We used the 'nissan' fix-a-flat air compressor to inflate a flat tire due to a slow air leak. Apparently - this was enough to dip the 12v battery below the threshold voltage required to properly boot the system. Unclear what was actually wrong - I decided to attempt a brief top-off charge from a nearby 110 outlet for three minutes. Retried - and suddenly all was good. Several days later this all happened yet again without any 'discharge' provocation as we had before - nonetheless; a brief connection to our charging system seemed to get this to start OK. We've never replaced or touched our 2016 SL 12v. battery before - so we'll replace that ASAP. This forum ROCKs!

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Re: T/M System Malfunction

Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:50 am

Always use Ready Mode, NOT Accessory Mode, to run high drain things like air compressors from the car. Accessory mode shouldn't even be an option in most EVs.
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