stanley
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:53 am

Call Nissan and explain that you were accepted into Etec program and received an SV model. See if they will exchange it for an Sl.

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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:48 am

The "3)" part is incorrect, you get L2 in your home, not L3.

If they can locate a suitable SL (with QC), you would expect to pay about an extra $1000 for the SL (assuming you have qualified for the eTec program).

However, it sounds like you might NOT yet be qualified/accepted ... ???
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:55 am

All other considerations and assumptions aside for the moment, you would need 440, 3 phase in your house to run a L3 Quick Charger.
The charger that is provided with the EV Project is a L2 charger than runs on 220, 1 phase.
Someone gave you bad information on what you were getting.
zigadabooga wrote: 3) 30-min charger that will be free with the eTec program installed in your home also (at some locations)
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:20 am

I ordered an SL, but because Nissan's ordering site was not clear that the QC option had to be factory installed rather than a dealer installed option at a later date I didn't get the QC port. I think that since then they have done a better job explaining that. Anyway our decision was to go ahead and take delivery of our LEAF without the QC port. From a practical standpoint that was very wise. Where we live we will be lucky to see any merchant in the area install an L2 charging station, much less a QC station. I am more hopeful that when the 6.6 kW internal charger becomes available that we can get that at a reasonable price. It is far more likely that you'll see L2 stations that can provide 6.6 kW as opposed to the QC stations. Thus, for just an hour at a restaurant or the mall and my range per kWh of 4.5, I'll be able to pick up almost an additional 30 miles of range. What cinches it for us is that we have always planned on leasing our LEAF for 39 months because of technological obsolescence. This is our "Starter LEAF". Depending on the range of the EVs in three years, we may purchase at that time and will probably get the QC port then.
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:31 pm

I would recommend taking the SV, assuming that is still the model you want. You will pay $1000 more to switch to a SL. You could lose $2500 in CA rebate, unless Nissan can make the switch in a week or two. Your only benefit is getting a DC port on the Leaf for free (value $700), which you may or may not every use.

Please carefully read garygrid's posts on the eTec program. You seem to have a major misunderstanding of it. Then call them to see if you are in the program, and what your options are to still obtain a free L2 EVSE in your garage.

But I would say that you have options to get a L2 EVSE installed in your home for considerably less than the money you would be losing on the CA rebate. So I wouldn't delay delivery of your leaf in order to participate in eTec. Check out the various threads here on L2 EVSE. There are models you can purchase for less than $1000, and the electrical work should also be under that, unless your house wiring is outdated. And do check out the L2 EVSE upgrade by forum member Phil, which is the least costly option. Many happy customers among forum members.
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:18 pm

I've figured it out, basically:

L1 20hour
L2 8hour
L3 30min

IF I were to get the SL, AND choose as an option the "QC" for the L3 then I get an L2 free.

I had to get my SV even though I qualified for the free L3 port.

I guess I'll have to get an after market or through dealer years down the road when they allow it.
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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:24 pm

Actually, if you want to get technical about it,
L1 = 120v AC to onboard charger
L2 = 208v to 240v AC to onboard charger
L3 = [not currently defined]

The L3 term was used at one time by the American standards committee for a proposed variable high voltage DC with an offboard charger, but they have stopped using the term for that, though they are still trying to produce a standard. Meanwhile, a Japanese consortium, including Nissan, did produce a standard for high voltage DC with an offboard charger which has been adopted there. It is formally called CHAdeMO, and is referred to by Nissan and others as "Quick Charge". Pressure is being put on the American committee to adopt that standard, but they are resisting, still wanting to push their own with a single port that can accept all three types of current.

So QC never was, and is not now, L3. It may, or may not ever, become standard in the US. At the moment there is one CHAdeMO charger installed in California and it is not operational. (There are a few elsewhere in the US, and promises to install more in California.)

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Re: Problem

Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:39 pm

planet4ever wrote: So QC never was, and is not now, L3. It may, or may not ever, become standard in the US. At the moment there is one CHAdeMO charger installed in California and it is not operational. (There are a few elsewhere in the US, and promises to install more in California.)
Leaf and iMiev owners, by force of numbers can change all that.. SAE may yet propose a third connector that combines the existing L2 and L3 sockets used in the Leaf and iMiev.. thus forcing retrofits of all the Volts and Leafs in the US right now, good luck with that.. and the longer they take the more cars get made.

I like the L1, L2 and L3 nomenclature.. its easy to understand.

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Re: Problem

Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:22 am

and also isn't the L3 chargers VERY expensive? I thought I had read $30K+ each??

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Re: Problem

Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:40 am

The Nissan QC device was rumored to be more like $11k and not require 440v 3-phase.
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