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mwalsh
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Re: New Leaf lasts 2 days before crashing

Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:47 pm

I don't read manuals. When I don't understand something.....that's what you guys are for. ;)

I kid. :D But I'm a pretty intuitive guy. It has to be something pretty serious or obtuse to get me to hit a manual!
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thew
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Leaf Number: 4514
Location: Gold Beach OR
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Re: New Leaf lasts 2 days before crashing

Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:55 pm

Good for you for being Honest.. Yes the Car Beeps at you if you walk away with the Key fob in your pocket and the car in the On position.. Also if its on you will not hear the Relay Click when you plug in your EVSE... But Good on ya for being Honest and not blaming it on the car! :)

704hov1095 wrote:
mwalsh wrote:Flame suit on.....but that sort of sounds to me like you left the car turned on. No timer charging would be my first indicator and the completely dead battery pack my second.
Ahem, the car is back from a day at the dealer. While there is no absolute proof, examination found 3 error codes that led to a "fail safe state" indicating with strong probability that DUMMY here, aka 704hov1095, to whom thousands trust their loved ones for complex medical diagnosis, exited the car while it was still on. DUMMY proceeded to insert L2 nozzle and to not take care in noticing the charging lamp was not lit. DUMMY's battery would not charge as car had entered the above state. Dealer was very nice about everything--free tow, no charge for the service, car returned washed again (3 times in 5 days, thank you), and DUMMY is released on his own recognizance again.

Some lessons learned here: (1) IMHO there is insufficient warning (supposedly I should have heard some chimes) when the car is left on and the door is opened; (2) on the AV EVSE, the lamp for active charging is partially lit from the glow just above it from the lamp indicating the vehicle is connected, possibly leading someone to think a good charge is underway (though DUMMY should have noticed no dash lights lit up); (3) there ought to be some sort of reserve power in the event of (near)accidental discharge of the main battery; (4) the help line folks in Ohio are still at the beginning of their own learning curves; (5) Weseloh Nissan here in Orange County is bending over backward to earn customer respect and loyalty.

My experience was mostly "no harm, no foul", and probably served some good in giving the local Nissan dealer some service experience with the Leaf.

The dealer service manager suggested I use Nissan's Facebook page (yet to see it) to post some suggestions that will contribute to a better Leaf II.

Otto (DUMMY for now)
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JimSouCal
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Re: New Leaf lasts 2 days before crashing

Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:58 pm

mwalsh wrote:I don't read manuals. When I don't understand something.....that's what you guys are for. ;)

I kid. :D But I'm a pretty intuitive guy. It has to be something pretty serious or obtuse to get me to hit a manual!
The PDF version of the manual makes finding words, and consequently, information, much easier. Then I go back and locate it in the paper one with a flag tag. And I agree, a forum revealed the manual pages as to how to shut off the horn honk on lock...!

QueenBee
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Re: New Leaf lasts 2 days before crashing

Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:47 pm

Speaking of reading the manuals. I accidentally turned disabled the intelligent key lock/unlock feature in the menu. I thought my exterior unlock/lock buttons broke but apparently you can disable them :)

TNleaf
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Re: New Leaf lasts 2 days before crashing

Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:58 pm

I'm surprised no one has said "RTFM"

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Re: New Leaf lasts 2 days before crashing

Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:13 pm

704hov1095 wrote:Electronic crash, that is. Delivered 6/18 and drove just fine for 2 days, including recharging both with my AV L2 and trickle charging at work with L1 unit. Returned home from work 2 nites ago with approx. 12 residual miles, plugged it back into the L2 and went to bed. As I got up yesterday, the dash charging lights were off and the car would not do anything other than turn on the accessories. Called the EV hotline and the first guy was a total amateur (I could hear him turning pages of a manual) and we mutually gave up. I called a little later from work (took my fully reliable Honda Civic Hybrid, which thankfully I did not trade in) and spoke to a much more knowledgeable guy named Paul Smith. He waited until I got home (staying beyond his structured hours at his desk in Ohio), and walked me through several steps, none of which worked. He contacted my dealer, and the salesman who sold me the vehicle actually drove out to my house after he left work (about a 8-mile drive), confirmed the car was dead in place, and today the car will be towed to the dealer.

I'll let you know what happened. Needless to say, I am not a very happy new owner and am already wondering if these cars are ready for the real world...

Don't be too upset. My first car, a 1978 Ford Mustang (the biggest piece of junk ever to come out Detroit) had to be towed after 95 miles as the fuel line was not secured properly and twisted, choking off the gas supply. I'll never forget riding back in a tow truck with the cute girl I had hoped to impress at college with my new car. i never bought a Ford product again.

DougMarker
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Re: New Leaf lasts 2 days before crashing

Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:16 pm

Yeah, don't feel too bad. I did the same thing with my Prius; about 2 hours after I parked and left a quiet car a co-worker came in and said "Some idiot left their car running in the parking lot". Four hours later I went to lunch and discovered it was me...........

derkraut
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Re: New Leaf lasts 2 days before crashing

Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:18 pm

chuck58 wrote:
704hov1095 wrote:Electronic crash, that is. Delivered 6/18 and drove just fine for 2 days, including recharging both with my AV L2 and trickle charging at work with L1 unit. Returned home from work 2 nites ago with approx. 12 residual miles, plugged it back into the L2 and went to bed. As I got up yesterday, the dash charging lights were off and the car would not do anything other than turn on the accessories. Called the EV hotline and the first guy was a total amateur (I could hear him turning pages of a manual) and we mutually gave up. I called a little later from work (took my fully reliable Honda Civic Hybrid, which thankfully I did not trade in) and spoke to a much more knowledgeable guy named Paul Smith. He waited until I got home (staying beyond his structured hours at his desk in Ohio), and walked me through several steps, none of which worked. He contacted my dealer, and the salesman who sold me the vehicle actually drove out to my house after he left work (about a 8-mile drive), confirmed the car was dead in place, and today the car will be towed to the dealer.

I'll let you know what happened. Needless to say, I am not a very happy new owner and am already wondering if these cars are ready for the real world...

Don't be too upset. My first car, a 1978 Ford Mustang (the biggest piece of junk ever to come out Detroit) had to be towed after 95 miles as the fuel line was not secured properly and twisted, choking off the gas supply. I'll never forget riding back in a tow truck with the cute girl I had hoped to impress at college with my new car. i never bought a Ford product again.
A '78 Ford? Now, there was a real piece of junk! :o :shock:
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planet4ever
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Location: Morgan Hill, CA, south of San Jose

Re: New Leaf lasts 2 days before crashing

Wed Jun 29, 2011 12:42 am

planet4ever wrote:Yes, I do believe in reading manuals, but I'm sorry, a five-state power button with no direct indication of which state you are in, and a complicated set of rules for transitions between states is a design usability problem, no matter how clearly it is spelled out in the manual.
So, I decided to back up my words with some experimentation and a picture of the results. One thing I hadn't even noticed before is that in addition to the chime you always hear when you press the power button there are often one or more beeps that follow it. The number of beeps I heard varied from 1 to 4½ but, at least in my car, appeared to be constant for a particular power state transition. Here is the state transition flow chart I came up with, including the number of beeps in a circle close to the destination state. "brake?" of course means, "Is the brake pedal depressed?" and the diamond shapes containing that each have a Yes and a No path out of them.

Image

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Re: New Leaf lasts 2 days before crashing

Wed Jun 29, 2011 1:24 am

planet4ever wrote: Image

Ray
Thanks for the good job with the chart! I hope there exists a more direct route from LOCK to OFF? By Locking the doors perhaps?

I don't have a Leaf myself, but this whole 5-state-stuff feel far more complicated than should be necessary... :|

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