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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:10 pm
by vrwl
derkraut wrote:You have an air conditioner, Tony? Maybe you're farther from the beach than I am (west side of I-15). I know you guys in AZ won't think this is funny----but I had to run my bedroom ceiling fan last night for a couple hrs. ;) :D
ROFL!!! I run ceiling fans in 4 rooms in my house constantly... 24x7x300 days. We even have a ceiling fan in our master bathroom. :oops: There's nothing worse than sweating as soon as you step out of the shower.

Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:10 pm
by dusty2050
opossum wrote:There is a lawyer out here in the Phoenix area who has been reading up on this capacity loss issue and speaking to some affected LEAF owners. He has experience with the major auto manufacturers as well. He believes LEAF owners have a good claim against Nissan. Message me if you would like the lawyer's contact information.
I would really like to have his information. You can email it to russellsmith60@gmail.com
Thanks

Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:44 pm
by DaveEV
TickTock wrote:Curious. My new 100% charge did reach a higher gid count by 6% (now 231 vs 217 before) however, I still drew almost exactly the same charge from the wall for a turtle to 100% charge (20.8kWh). I'll check if the logs offer any explanation later today. Still 12 capacity bars.
At the very least, your wall-energy readings match Nissan's claim that your battery is down 15%. 20.8/24.0 = 86.7%. So I think that we can safely establish 24 kWh from the wall on L2 as what the baseline reading should be for a 100% healthy battery. This matches up with what we've seen people report from day one where we've seen 24-25 kWh from the wall charging from turtle to 100%.

Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:54 am
by mark1313
It was only 107 @ 10 pm in Phx :shock:
derkraut wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:
RegGuheert wrote:I've always said the easiest job in the world is being the weather-woman in San Diego! :D
It was in the 80's at my house today !!! Naturally, one of the air conditioners quit (12 years old).
You have an air conditioner, Tony? Maybe you're farther from the beach than I am (west side of I-15). I know you guys in AZ won't think this is funny----but I had to run my bedroom ceiling fan last night for a couple hrs. ;) :D

Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:32 am
by Herm
I think the odds are increasing about Nissan taking out the battery capacity meter.. it just confuses things and needlessly distresses the owners. just rely on the GOM.

Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:48 am
by TonyWilliams
Herm wrote:I think the odds are increasing about Nissan taking out the battery capacity meter.. it just confuses things and needlessly distresses the owners. just rely on the GOM.
They certainly would have had less issues without providing consumers with non-required info. With all the other misinformation presented (how about 100 mile range or that crazy CarWings?!?!) from GoM, to non-linear temperature and capacity instruments, so why not make the top capacity bar be 50%? Easy software change.

Also, why not the easy Honda-esque change to available capacity? Sure, they could keep saying 100 mile range (that exactly 35 people have reported to have completed... Less than the reports of degraded batteries!!!!) with any software limited capacity; it's just "normal".

Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 10:18 am
by Nubo
Herm wrote:I think the odds are increasing about Nissan taking out the battery capacity meter.. it just confuses things and needlessly distresses the owners. just rely on the GOM.
I guess that's possible. If they haven't yet figured out what a deep hole they're in, they might just keep digging.

Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:41 am
by GRA
TonyWilliams wrote:Image
Looks the same in the Bay Area. Or at least in my particular Bay Area Micro-climate - ten miles in any direction will change it radically, and depending on where you live you might only need to move a mile or in a few cases, a couple of blocks, to be in another climate zone. Reminds me of the old Firesign Theatre bit:

BABE: Let's see what they've got in this car.

ROADSIGN: "Antelope Freeway One-Quarter Mile..."

BABE: Let's see ...

ROADSIGN: "Antelope Freeway One-Eighth Mi... "

BABE: We've got lights, wipers, defrost ...

ROADSIGN: "Antelope Freeway One-Sixteenth Mi..."

BABE: ... temperature and Climate Control! Hummmm ...

ROADSIGN: "Antelope Freeway One-Thirty- Second Mi..."

BABE: Let's see what kind of climate' I can get ...

ROADSIGN: "Antelope Freeway One-Sixty-Fourth Mi..."

BABE: Winter Wonderland. Spring Fever ...

ROADSIGN: "Antelope Freeway One-One Hundred and Twenty-Eighth Mi ..."

BABE: ... Indian Summer ...

ROADSIGN: "Antelope Freeway One-Two Hundred and Fifty-Sixth Mi..."

BABE: . . . Tropical Paradise. Tropical Paradise.? I think I'll give it a try . . .

ROADSIGN: "Antelope Freeway One-Five Hundred and..."

SOUND: A click. The road sounds disappear, replaced by birds, wind, crickets and frogs.

BABE: Wow! What a groove! A Tropical Paradise!

SOUND: Clap of thunder. Rain begins to fall. Babe yawns as the rain continues. Ducks quack and distant thunder rolls. Babe yawns and then falls silent. As the rain dwindles off, there are the sounds off footsteps sloshing through mud.
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Full script here:

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 11:56 am
by LEAFfan
TickTock wrote:Curious. My new 100% charge did reach a higher gid count by 6% (now 231 vs 217 before) however, I still drew almost exactly the same charge from the wall for a turtle to 100% charge (20.8kWh). I'll check if the logs offer any explanation later today. Still 12 capacity bars.
Your gid count of 231=82% which means you will probably lose a bar when it goes to 81 or 80%. All the cars I've tested lost a bar shortly after the 81% reading.

Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 3:25 pm
by edatoakrun
LEAFfan wrote:
TickTock wrote:Curious. My new 100% charge did reach a higher gid count by 6% (now 231 vs 217 before) however, I still drew almost exactly the same charge from the wall for a turtle to 100% charge (20.8kWh). I'll check if the logs offer any explanation later today. Still 12 capacity bars.
Your gid count of 231=82% which means you will probably lose a bar when it goes to 81 or 80%. All the cars I've tested lost a bar shortly after the 81% reading.
And (assuming TickTock's LEAF still has the original battery) it looks like his capacity at "100%" charge may have only declined from 19.12 kWh to 18.48 kWh, or ~3.5%, since his first gid reading on 10/01/11.

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Please keep us posted, TickTock.

IMO, it could be that Nissan shot their wad and removed all charging restrictions, and ~18.5 kWh is the maximum capacity your battery will ever have.

But, if any potential seasonal capacity increase wasn't already "installed" by Nissan when they had your car, you might still see the gid count increase later this year, like you did last year, after you started recording on 10/1/11.