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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Mon May 25, 2015 6:18 pm

TomT wrote:Yep, I planned to and actually had the turn-in date set. Two days before, I dropped the fourth bar as I backed out of the driveway at 59,983 miles... So, I thought about it a bit, and had it towed to Nissan who confirmed with corporate that I was indeed entitled to a new battery (I had opted back in earlier). I then called Nissan Finance who said I could cancel the turn-in if I wanted to and extent the lease on a month by month basis. At that point I negotiated the two months lease credit and a third month by grinding them a little since my car would be out of service for a while while the new battery was ordered and installed (they also gave me a loaner Altima)... So, I told them OK and here we are. It gives me a brand new Lizard battery, three months free, and some time to see what cars the future brings...

I am still amazed that I dropped the fourth bar just before the warranty ended at 60K as I was not expecting that based on the numbers! Geez, 17 miles short!
dgpcolorado wrote:I thought you were going to get rid of your LEAF at lease end. Chose otherwise?
I added the 4th bar lost to the wiki but you don't have a 3 bar loss report in there. Got any idea on the date / miles on that?
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Mon May 25, 2015 9:38 pm

Ironically, as it turns out, it appears that beating the hell out of the battery would have been the best course for most of us!
Stoaty wrote:Unfortunately, not true. Four year anniversary coming up in 2 weeks, 40,000 miles, capacity - 51.31 Ah. I figure I won't drop the 4th bar for about 2 years, perhaps a bit longer. No Lizard for me, unless I decide to purchase.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Mon May 25, 2015 9:46 pm

It's documented on here somewhere... I'll have to dig around for it.
dhanson865 wrote:I added the 4th bar lost to the wiki but you don't have a 3 bar loss report in there. Got any idea on the date / miles on that?
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Mon May 25, 2015 10:28 pm

I live about 10 miles from TomT. The west side is a lot cooler than the inland valleys. Your car gets that advantage at night even if it is in the valley during the day.
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91040 wrote:Interesting. We both have the same climate. So my higher mileage and/or QCs got me to the same capacity 5 months sooner. Doesn't seem like any of these batteries will last 5 years with 9 capacity bars in our climate.
Unfortunately, not true. Four year anniversary coming up in 2 weeks, 40,000 miles, capacity - 51.31 Ah. I figure I won't drop the 4th bar for about 2 years, perhaps a bit longer. No Lizard for me, unless I decide to purchase.
1st Capacity Bar loss 30k mi 16mo
2nd- 49k mi 25.5mo 51.5Ah
3rd- 73k mi 36.5mo 46.9Ah
4th- 86.5k mi 43mo 42.6Ah
5th- 101k mi 50.5mo 38.4Ah, end 36.1Ah
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1st- 160.5k mi 34mo 54Ah
2nd- 184.4k mi 53mo 49Ah

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue May 26, 2015 6:42 am

TomT wrote:Ironically, as it turns out, it appears that beating the hell out of the battery would have been the best course for most of us!
How true :!:
A big part of Stoaty's slower capacity bar loss is extremely efficient driving.

I don't have that issue, but the first three years I did protect capacity by 80% charging just in time and left garage doors partially open to avoid LEAF being in garge temperature 15F above ambient.
If I had not done that, I might have gotten a $6,000 replacement battery too :shock:

Instead I likely will lose the fourth bar at five years and six months, at around 34,000 miles.
Unless we get a summer like 2011 with multiple 104F days and do lots of driving and DCQC on those days.

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Tue May 26, 2015 8:38 am

Yep, my car lived in a hot garage most nights in the summer...
91040 wrote:I live about 10 miles from TomT. The west side is a lot cooler than the inland valleys. Your car gets that advantage at night even if it is in the valley during the day.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Wed May 27, 2015 6:36 am

TomT wrote:Yep, my car lived in a hot garage most nights in the summer...
Here in Florida, my garage too was very hot all night. I used to park the LEAF outside, and run the 110v charger cord under the door to the car. But I wasn't happy with that as it is so inefficient to charge on 110v.

One thing that helped, although obviously only slightly, was getting a hybrid water heater. As essentially an air conditioner to heat water, it does cool things off some.

I have seen a person who put Styrofoam in the garage door panels, and that really helped. I just haven't gotten around to doing that.

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Wed May 27, 2015 6:40 am

I have a tankless water heater and my garage door has Styrofoam insulation in it from the factory... But the roof above it is open and uninsulated so a good bit of heat comes from that...
sub3marathonman wrote:One thing that helped, although obviously only slightly, was getting a hybrid water heater. As essentially an air conditioner to heat water, it does cool things off some.
I have seen a person who put Styrofoam in the garage door panels, and that really helped. I just haven't gotten around to doing that.
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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Wed May 27, 2015 7:31 am

TomT wrote:I have a tankless water heater and my garage door has Styrofoam insulation in it from the factory... But the roof above it is open and uninsulated so a good bit of heat comes from that...
There's that "weakest link" problem rearing its ugly head!!

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Re: Early Capacity Losses-Was(Lost a bar...down to 11)

Wed May 27, 2015 8:41 pm

dhanson865 wrote:I updated the wiki to add a Model Year column so we can mark the 2013 and newer as they come in. I need help finding entries that haven't been added yet and adding model years if you already have an entry.
The 1st bar losers from 2013 are rolling in. I expect these threads to be very active this summer.

Not sure if both threads should stay separate, one get locked, or both be merged...
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